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<br></pre><pre style="font-family: monospace; margin-left: 3em; font-size: 12px; ">@<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: medium; white-space: normal; font-style: italic; ">German Arduino</span></pre>
<pre style="font-family: monospace; margin-left: 3em; font-size: 12px; ">"But, and is a big but on my pov, I wants also all the possibilities to
make web development. I don't like the idea of think that to web dev I
should switch to Pharo."</pre><pre style="font-family: monospace; margin-left: 3em; font-size: 12px; "><br></pre><pre style="font-family: monospace; margin-left: 3em; font-size: 12px; ">This is an interesting point. I think it can arouse more fear than is necessary, though. </pre>
<pre style="font-family: monospace; margin-left: 3em; font-size: 12px; "><br></pre><pre style="font-family: monospace; margin-left: 3em; font-size: 12px; ">For Squeak to run Seaside is trivial. Seaside lays on top of the networking capabilities of Squeak. It's not invasive in its demands. I think Andreas is more concerned with plugins and lower level stuff. Wonderland, Morphic, Etoys, and drumming bunnies floating in 3D are more fundamental plumbing problems than Seaside. </pre>
<pre style="font-family: monospace; margin-left: 3em; font-size: 12px; "><br></pre><pre style="font-family: monospace; margin-left: 3em; font-size: 12px; ">The question about compatibility of future Seasides, or Aida releases rests more with the maintainers of those projects than with Squeak. I've settled on Seaside 2.8.3 as the last version of Seaside I'm going to bother with. It's clear to me from things Julian Fitzel has said that the Seaside maintainers will not be porting to Squeak. They plan to develop for Pharo exclusively. At the moment they are looking for a Squeak maintainer, somebody to convert what they're doing to Squeak. They may have found one already, I don't know. </pre>
<pre style="font-family: monospace; margin-left: 3em; font-size: 12px; "><br></pre><pre style="font-family: monospace; margin-left: 3em; font-size: 12px; ">And I don't care. 2.8.3 is delightful. I don't see anything in 2.9 (WAPainter, addition of jQuery written in Smalltalk ( I can do that myself, thanks) and greater modularity (which only benefits Gemstone, Cincom, etc), use of other servers (Comanche is the only one I want)) that I want or need. I'm not going to chase them to rewrite my code every time they make a change. </pre>
<pre style="font-family: monospace; margin-left: 3em; font-size: 12px; "><br></pre><pre style="font-family: monospace; margin-left: 3em; font-size: 12px; ">I don't see anything in Seaside 3.0 et alia that I can't live without. Seaside is not an application. It's a framework. It's there for me to reshape, and as far as I'm concerned 2.8.3 and my slowly growing skill set are all I'll need. </pre>
<pre style="font-family: monospace; margin-left: 3em; font-size: 12px; "><br></pre><pre style="font-family: monospace; margin-left: 3em; font-size: 12px; "> The tipping point between stability of platform and the supposed benefit of new features coming out of Europe has me thinking that it has evolved to be all it needs to be and any new things its maintainers will develop for it will not be worth the effort required to chase them. </pre>
<pre style="font-family: monospace; margin-left: 3em; font-size: 12px; "><br></pre><pre style="font-family: monospace; margin-left: 3em; font-size: 12px; ">I'm content to watch Pharo take new Seaside releases and disappear over the horizon. </pre>
<pre style="font-family: monospace; margin-left: 3em; font-size: 12px; "><br></pre><pre style="font-family: monospace; margin-left: 3em; font-size: 12px; ">Chris </pre></span>