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On 12/12/09 4:02 PM, "Chris Cunnington" <smalltalktelevision@gmail.com> wrote:<BR>
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One of the differences between Seaside 2.8.3 and Seaside 3.0 is that the packages must be loaded in a specific order. You cannot install them piecemeal.. That's why builder.seaside.st <<FONT COLOR="#0000FF"><U><a href="http://builder.seaside.st">http://builder.seaside.st</a></U></FONT>> was created. It looks as though Dale's abstracting this problem and solving it with Metacello. I think that we should look at this project very carefully. I think Miguel is right to say SM and Universes are not really in our future. <BR>
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I remember reading Edgar saying he was using Monticello for delivering files. And you said he should be using sar. You say it's not a package management system, but a package versioning system. As usual, your posts make clear - starkly clear - distinctions, but I think you're missing something. The intent of what you created is irrelevant. How people use the tool shows its actual value to the community. If that's not how you envisioned it, then that doesn't matter. If I want to use a butter knife as a screwdriver to fix the toaster, and it works, then that's all that matters. <BR>
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Whether you admit it or not, Monticello is used as a package management system. And yes, that kind of sucks. The day I don't have to go to SqueakSource to get the proper path name for a project I want to install, and I can just do it from my image like the SMPL or Universes, then that will be a good day. <BR>
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It’s why I wish get rid of all SqueakMap, Universes, Installer,ScriptLoader, for two years now.<BR>
We could improve Monticello.<BR>
I could put any into a “package” and load into regular SqueakSource and use as it was .sar.<BR>
But the way I also remember years of people fighting me as I always like .sar .<BR>
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Metacello is the answer ?<BR>
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