<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><blockquote type="cite"><div><blockquote type="cite" style="font-size: 15px; "><font face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><font size="5" style="font-size: 20px; "><span style="font-size: 17px; ">So, welcome to the brave new world, built in Cuis.<font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000" face="Helvetica"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#006312" face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 17px;"><br></span></font></span></font></span></font></font></blockquote></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px; ">Hi Edgar, thanks for responding.</span></div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><blockquote type="cite" style="font-size: 15px; "><font face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><font size="5" style="font-size: 20px; "><span style="font-size: 17px; "> Well, I do not should speak by Juan, but you sure you don’t wish another mammal?</span></font></font></blockquote></div></blockquote><div style="font-size: 15px; "><br></div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px; ">Perhaps. I have a rabbit called Sooty, he could be up for immortalization as software.</span><br style="font-size: 15px; "><br style="font-size: 15px; "><blockquote type="cite" style="font-size: 15px; "><div><blockquote type="cite"><font face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><font size="5" style="font-size: 20px; "><span style="font-size: 17px; "> Cuis is small, beautiful, fast and a good Smalltalk.<br> But maybe when you add some tool (Monticello is my first choice,</span></font></font></blockquote></div></blockquote><div><br></div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px; ">I am wondering about this choice too. However it may not fit with the development model that is apparently inspiring things at the moment. Being connected to the internet and using distributed tools is apparently not good enough anymore. It appears that the rationale behind Gopher is to be able to work off-line on the train.</span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">Something which fits together with the modern distributed paradigm, Bazaar/git/mercurial, is looking to be the ideal.<br></span></font><br><blockquote type="cite" style="font-size: 15px; "><div><blockquote type="cite"><font face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><font size="5" style="font-size: 20px; "><span style="font-size: 17px; "> several more for sure, like OBSystemBrowser, Shout, TTF fonts etc) ends in a big thing which Juan don’t want..</span></font></font></blockquote></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">My current thinking is to ask Juan to simply improve the base of Cuis with multiple update streams for miscellaneous uses...</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">a.) Suggesting kernel patches to Juan</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">b.) Managing your own patches, and preferences for the kernel.</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">c.) Improving or providing new subsystems (i.e. a package manager)</span></font></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px; ">d.) building a product for a client</span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">e.) publishing a maintenance stream for a delivered product.</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">This sounds simple, and it is very simple as long as you don't try and do too much in a step.</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">There is a need to have waypoint images along the way to keep things synchronised.</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">If you want the ability to rebuild from scratch, the updates mechanism will have to include the notion of synchronisation between update streams, and that is where it gets tricky.</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">So I propose that the /updates kernel patches stream, managed by Juan, be adopted as the master timeline for the evolution of the cuis image. Because this is the mechanism that Juan is using himself.</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">So if you build your system on top of a Cuis release, patched and maintained by Juan, via the /updates mechanism. Then legitimately it remains a memeber of the "Cuis" family, because all of your updates will be released as 0363-0001-MyCleanUp-kph.st to be applied after the Juan's 0363 update.</span></font></div><br><blockquote type="cite" style="font-size: 15px; "><div><blockquote type="cite"><font face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><font size="5" style="font-size: 20px; "><span style="font-size: 17px; "> I have Minimal, as several times said here.</span></font></font></blockquote></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" style="font-size: 15px; "><div><blockquote type="cite"><font face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><font size="5" style="font-size: 20px; "><span style="font-size: 17px; "> It’s only 7.3 mb and could load all 3.10 could load without any more as a enhanced CodeLoader.<br></span></font></font></blockquote></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px; ">I hear you, and for my purposes, this would make a LOT of sense. To use minimal as an intermediate solution. German's point about it running Pier is well taken.</span></div><div><br></div><br><blockquote type="cite" style="font-size: 15px; "><div><blockquote type="cite"><font face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><font size="5" style="font-size: 20px; "><span style="font-size: 17px; "> Maybe is not so nice and sure not so clean.<br> But is powerful and deserve be polished.<br></span></font></font></blockquote></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px; ">Therefore I think that we should try implement processes that will be able to manage and cross fertilise between Cuis and minimal.</span></div><br><blockquote type="cite" style="font-size: 15px; "><div><blockquote type="cite"><font face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><font size="5" style="font-size: 20px; "><span style="font-size: 17px; "> Naming the beast is open to suggestion.<br></span></font></font></blockquote></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px; ">Go ahead, pick your rodent or marsupial.</span></div><br><blockquote type="cite" style="font-size: 15px; "><div><blockquote type="cite"><font face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><font size="5" style="font-size: 20px; "><span style="font-size: 17px; "> LaVizcacha , which is a mammal bigger and uglier as Cuis.<br></span></font></font></blockquote></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">A bit of a mouthful.</span></font></div><br><blockquote type="cite" style="font-size: 15px; "><div><blockquote type="cite"><font face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><font size="5" style="font-size: 20px; "><span style="font-size: 17px; "> ElZorro , a mammal who eat Cuises.<br></span></font></font></blockquote></div></blockquote><div><br></div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px; ">Very good.</span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;"> </span></font></div><div><blockquote type="cite" style="font-size: 15px; "><div><blockquote type="cite"><font face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><font size="5" style="font-size: 20px; "><span style="font-size: 17px; "> ElPerro, a domestic mammal founded in houses and cities.<br></span></font></font></blockquote></div></blockquote><div><br></div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px; ">Perro - I like it</span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">Keith</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"><br></span></span></font></div></body></html>