<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div style="font-size: 16px; "> <blockquote type="cite"><div><blockquote type="cite">Recently an op got irritated enough with keithy to ban him from the #squeak IRC channel, without much warning or community discussion. Unfortunately I believe such a unilateral ban creates "bad karma" that damages #squeak and Squeak in non-obvious ways.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">There are less harmful alternatives (eg: a more deliberate ban; training ourselves not to feed rants; or just accepting that #squeak may become unusable for an hour or two now and then). So, I feel this particular ban should end or at least be ratified by discussion/vote here on the list.<br></blockquote><br>I agree with you, and feel the ban was totally unjustified and unwarranted. This banner in my opinion should immediately have his banning capabilities removed, he obviously cannot be trusted with the powers.<br><br>Ken G. Brown<br><br></div></blockquote></div><br style="font-size: 16px; "><div style="font-size: 16px; ">Hi Ken,</div><div style="font-size: 16px; "><br></div><div style="font-size: 16px; ">I have always followed the adage "Go where you are celebrated, not where you are tolerated".</div><div style="font-size: 16px; "><br></div><div style="font-size: 16px; ">I am ONLY here in squeak-dev because cuis does not have its own mailing list, I wish it did. </div><div style="font-size: 16px; "><br></div><div style="font-size: 16px; ">Squeak as a social community doesn't just have bad karma, but its "leaders" are setting out to generate it because they have totally forgotten where we/they were planning to go in the first place.</div><div style="font-size: 16px; "><br></div><div style="font-size: 16px; ">It might be useful to clearly re-iterate a previously stated goal of the old squeak release team, and the board: </div><div style="font-size: 16px; "><br></div><div style="font-size: 16px; ">The goal of having a minimal kernel images upon which you can build and test derived images of your choice.</div><div style="font-size: 16px; "><br></div><div style="font-size: 16px; ">This goal was so that forks merely become a "build of technical preference", on a minimal starting point (eventually "spoon") rather than politically charged splinter groups such as Pharo. This goal would have enabled us to avoid panicking and getting scared of falling behind pharo, but to facilitate exchange of ideas between all forks such that pharo becomes a positive part of the squeak story rather than an isolated disaffected group.</div><div style="font-size: 16px; "><br></div><div style="font-size: 16px; ">Perhaps you as the community should be asking what if anything the board have done towards this goal.</div><div style="font-size: 16px; "><br></div><div style="font-size: 16px; ">As for me, you can find me in #cuis on irc.feenode.com if you want to.</div><div style="font-size: 16px; "><br></div><div style="font-size: 16px; ">Keith</div><div style="font-size: 16px; "><br></div></body></html>