<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><blockquote type="cite"><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font>IRC is clearly deemed to be a medium inferior to the mailing list in this community. Forcing your ideas on us of what the development process should be hasn't worked before, and is unlikely to work in the future. </div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I did not force anyone, I wrote a proposal and you subscribed to it. </div><div><br></div><div>You are the ones who forced things by instituting the trunk process which is unusable.</div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>You do have great ideas, it's just unfortunate they sometimes are not aligned with what the community at large wants.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>The community at large will now get what it is given. Yet another fork subscribing to the push model, where you push your changes into the forks that only you are interested in.</div><div><br></div><div>The pull model, is now becoming available for Cuis2, where you can subscribe to what you want or need, and publish changes to your image in a form that others can pull if they want to.</div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><br><blockquote type="cite">This mess is a mess of the board's making, no one else's, and it happened because of lack of "due process".<br></blockquote><br>The "messy" trunk process was indeed established to allow contribution without much explicit coordination. It may not be what you like, but it seems to suit this community well. And that's what matters in the end, IMHO. <br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Why can no one distinguish between a technical point and a philosophical point. The mess I referred to is the political mess.</div><div><br></div><div>We established the philosophical basis of the old 3.11 project as being that of valuing and harnessing everyone's contributions, we did this in response to the pharo team's approach, which only accepts perfect contributions that make it past the 2 maintainers. </div><div><br></div><div>The board overturned this, by not valuing everyone contributions. You decided to only value contributions that can be integrated into trunk "now", not contributions that need a bit of work, contributions that will mature over time, or contributions of a revolutionary nature which might break things if they are not quite perfect. (Morphic 3.0 Rio etc)</div><div><br></div><div>The trunk process is now the same as the pharo process, something we knew we didn't want. It has a single point maintainer, and my contributions are not acceptable, and they are not technically usable. My contributions will not be good enough to add to trunk as they are they need a place to gestate, and be worked upon by a group before they would be ready.</div><div><br></div><div>Technically speaking trunk is not messy enough, because you cant do things like replacing Morphic, or refactoring the sources changes mechanism in trunk. You would have to do it offline, and when it is perfect it could be integrated, but achieving the integration is tricky because trunk is a moving target.</div><div><br></div><div>Sure Andreas is superhuman and can do amazing stuff in trunk that works perfectly and doesn't ever break anything, but I cant, I need to work offline and integrate things when they are ready. Trunk is too controlled and focused to enable that, you are imposing a monolithic development model on my that I can't work with.</div><div><br></div><div>If I recall the community actually wanted a minimal kernel image with which they can build what they want.</div><div><br></div>Keith</div></body></html>