<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>Hmm... I remember back when the alleged injustices were supposedly being<br>perpetrated, I took a look at the archives of the release team mailing<br>list. Big surprise - what Keith is saying is total nonsense. The board<br>pinged the release team on several occasions with no apparent response.</div></blockquote><br><div>That is a complete lie that was made up by someone at the the time the rebuttal obviously got lost in the fray.</div><div>There were no emails from any member of the board for <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 26px; ">8</span> weeks.</div><div><br></div><div>I was in irc and active almost every single day.</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>Nothing was getting delivered, </div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Not true, </div><div><br></div><div>1) The Bob image was downloadable in February and configured on a server.</div><div>The changes to mantis to allow automated querying was performed a month or two later.</div><div>LPF was delivered</div><div>Sake/Packages was delivered</div><div>Installer was delivered.</div><div>3.10.2-build was delivered (and 3.10.2-build was built using the process that was the deliverable)</div><div><br></div><div>I also began producing videos to document the bob process which was (almost*) finished and was building developer images, amongst others.</div><div><br></div><div>*almost - bob was configured to build, but not yet to test. It was a single method addition of a configuration.</div><div><br></div><div>If you care to look at the proposal, the deliverable was that process which I was video-documenting two days before Andreas announced a new process!</div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>no timeline was available, and there was<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>The timeline was available, I was making the videos to document the process and less than a week of effort was needed to configure bob to run the tests against the images bob was already building.</div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>no indication that another three years would not go by without any<br>results.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>No liaison form the board to ask what progress actually was.</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>I also took a look at Keith's actual work as it related to bugs that<br>I was personally familiar with on Mantis. Big surprise - things labeled<br>as "fixes" that were not fixes, things tagged for inclusion in the<br>mythical "new release" that could not possible work. Hmmm... this does<br>not smell right. <br></div></blockquote><div><br></div>If you ask I could explain this to you.</div><div><br></div><div>We had an offline script which listed a over 100 fixes for inclusion in the next release. </div><div>3.10.2 had an additional 17 fixes in it for a start.</div><div><br></div><div>Once the process was complete, and remember the process was the deliverable. Then work would be able to progress making mantis reflect what we wanted in each subsequent monthly iteration.</div><div><br></div><div>No effort had been made to set the statuses on mantis because a) the process was being documented to explain to people what needed doing and b) the deliverable was the process, and an image to demonstrate that process. It only needed a token number of fixes on the first iteration, and the 100 we already had was plenty for an alpha.<br><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>So from my point of view what I see is:<br> - Lots of fancy talk about fictious deliverables<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Did you download the bob image, or the build image? Did you load Sake/Tasks?</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div> - No actual deliverables<br> </div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Look at the proposal, the deliverable was the process. Apart from the testing configuration for bob it was complete. Bob even has a seaside gui.</div><div><br></div><div>The release image that the proposal said we would deliver was merely to be a demonstration of the process. That demonstration had already been delivered with 3.10.2-build and 3.10.2-lpf images.</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div> - Excuses about why nothing gets done</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Nothing, meaning, features like LPF and Installer in use by several people in the community for actual commercial projects. In my case you can add Sake/Packages, and bob to that list too.</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div> - Scapegoats who are at fault for the failure to deliver whatever it<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>The board who decides to make decisions in one sitting without asking people it effects.</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div> was that was almost ready to be finished real soon now if only people<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Actually the process was finished already. It just needed to be used. I.e. it needed someone to choose the fixes in mantis and hit the build button.</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div> were enlightened enough to appreciate it<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>You betcha. You could have this point if it were not for one glaring fact.</div><div><br></div><div>Some people did appreciate it and did understand it, and they continue to appreciate it and continue to understand it.</div><div><br></div><div>The fact that they took the time to do so, and you didnt, is an indictment on you not them or me.</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div> - Sloppy work, full of errors, incomplete, undocumented<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I thank you for your support, and encouragement, it must have been there somewhere but I missed it. You volunteered to help when exactly?</div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>My comments are directed specifically towards Keith, and are not intended</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Your comments are typically misinformed and similarly insulting,</div><div><br></div><div>Keith</div><div> </div></div></body></html>