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keith skrev 2010-02-18 13:38:
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<div>I think that main issue why Chris wants Keith banned is not his<br>
position and opinion,<br>
but his continuous and repetituous attacks on a single subject.<br>
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With all respect to Keith, and his position, i don't understand why i<br>
need to read the same things over and over again,<br>
why i need to waste time explaining my own position over and over again.<br>
For intelligent/wise people its usually takes 1 or 2 attempts to<br>
understand something. You either understand it, or not and then based<br>
on outcome you either sharing the same thoughts with others or just<br>
leave things as it, because you can't understand or disagree.<br>
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Best regards,<br>
Igor Stasenko AKA sig.<br>
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<div style="font-size: 17px;">And the continuation of this discussion
is needed and will go on forever until the board gets "terms of
reference" and goes back to being an "oversight" committee rather than
acting like and believing they are dictators.</div>
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<div style="font-size: 17px;">See I said it again... I did not
mention Germans... I mentioned dictators, and I quoted Satre, go and
look the word up in the dictionary.</div>
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<div style="font-size: 17px;">I will not be making any further
contribution until the board has terms of reference.</div>
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<div style="font-size: 17px;">I have left this community.</div>
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<div style="font-size: 17px;">I will not be running for the board or
voting for the board.</div>
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<div style="font-size: 17px;">All my projects published on
squeaksource are no longer maintained unless I need to fix them for
commercial reasons. The reason for this is that it is impossible to
maintain and test packages for all forks, if it works it works, if it
doesn't work for your context then you have to fix it for your context.
The context (image) I am using to develop things is not the same image
you are using, so because there is no universally useful testing
framework for making sure everything is ok in all forks. We had that
vision, we don't any more. The process of actually maintaining a
cross-fork package is not supported by any tools or political will to
make tools, so it is only fair to say that nothing is supported,
because I don't have time, and no-one is paying me to support your
fork, (which includes trunk)</div>
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<div style="font-size: 17px;">Incidentally I am also moving away from
dependence on squeaksource and monticello so you probably will not even
find my future code, because there is no framework for publishing what
is available in my context, so that you can see it might be useful in
your context. So it would be unfair of me to tell you that my projects
are supported, if they are only supported in an image I have control
over, which is the truth.</div>
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<div style="font-size: 17px;">I am ONLY here because Cuis is here, I
am not in #squeak irc any more, because I wont be treated like that
again. There is now a #cuis room too.</div>
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<div style="font-size: 17px;">If cuis gets its own mailing list I
will go there. </div>
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<div style="font-size: 17px;">Squeak is not a viable basis for
comerical work since the "community" is too unstable, and the code base
is out of your control. If you bet the house on it, someone will knock
your house down (you have been warned)</div>
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This sentiment must be taken with a grain of salt.<br>
Scratch is probaly the most widely used Squeak application and I have
not heard any complaints from them on this matter.<br>
I gave you a warning quite early about the huge burnout rate of Squeak
realease team members. It's not clear to me that even if you completed
your job with thew 3.11 release, that anybody would use it. Just like
the Modules image it could be abandoned because of issues with tools
and integration. I never looked at your stuff , but I've used Mantis
and I do not like it. It seems futile to base future development on
tools that people find obscure and hard to use. <br>
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Karl<br>
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