<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 3:08 PM, stan shepherd <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:stan.shepherd414@gmail.com">stan.shepherd414@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
I know the deadline approaches, however- how does the community feel<br>
about a project to implement a real demonstration system (along the<br>
lines of defunct Sushi store)? </blockquote><div><br>This sounds REALLY greate. PLEASE take a look to <a href="http://gsoc2010.esug.org/application.html">http://gsoc2010.esug.org/application.html</a><br>the answer to point 2). It would be cool if I can add "And even more, we have a project which aim is to build an application demo to show the rest of the world what kind of things can be done in Smalltalk nowadays" or something like that...<br>
<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Presumably in Seaside, but whichever<br>
framework the community/mentor/student decided on. With a nice<br>
interface using (again presumptively) jQueryUI to give a pleasant<br>
end-user experience. </blockquote><div><br>Yes!!!<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Similarly implementing a persistence solution.<br>
</blockquote><div><br>Would be cool to show different persistence soliutions. At least a OO database (magma for example), a RDBMS, and some serialization or similar.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
The idea is to present potential newcomers to Smalltalk with a viable<br>
stack that could be picked up as is, to give a starting point for<br>
developing web applications. Potentially they could simply make a<br>
hosted copy, on the same server.<br>
<br>
The idea would be that on the various examples page, you could access<br>
an e-commerce site running a Smalltalk technology stack. Ideally<br>
really selling something Smalltalk related, (proceeds to eg ESUG),<br>
maybe also an Amazon affiliate page . If you liked it, you could copy<br>
the whole project, change eg your Paypal details, change your<br>
products, and be in business. (Obviously there are real world<br>
considerations - this is the concept). And coders looking for examples<br>
would see code that was fully completed, not onClick: (... some alert<br>
saying you clicked but no real example of how to handle it, eg how to<br>
transfer the order line details to the payments server).<br>
<br>
I think it would do wonders for the take-up of Smalltalk.<br>
<br>
If people like the idea in general, I'm happy to write up the brief. I<br>
don't think i'm the right person for the mentor, but you know who you<br>
are ;)<br></blockquote><div><br>Yes, please, at least for me it sounds cool. And goes in the direction of the "application text". <br><br>The only thing I am concerned a bit is the scope of the project. It seems quite big. Maybe you should scope it and put "must have" but also "wish list" or bonus items.<br>
<br>We need mentors!!!!! any volunteer ?<br><br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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For the student, they would get experience in implementing the<br>
application itself , as well as assembling the stack. They could be<br>
the next Auctomatic founders.<br>
<br>
Do people think it's useful for me to develop a proposal?<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br>yes!<br><br>cheers<br><br>mariano<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Cheers, ..Stan<br>
<br>
PS I realise that picking a component as part of the stack is fraught<br>
with possibilities of offending supporters of an alternative project.<br>
But more Smalltalkers overall means more potential users of each<br>
project<br>
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On 6 March 2010 12:04, Mariano Martinez Peck <<a href="mailto:marianopeck@gmail.com">marianopeck@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Hi smalltalkers. I have been asked to be the admin of GSoC 2010. The backup<br>
> or second admin is Janko Mivšek. As you may know, Squeak has participated in<br>
> GSoC 2007, 2008 but failed (not accepted) in 2009. We are not sure if we<br>
> will succeed this year but we will try to do as much as possible.<br>
><br>
> We think that one of the most important reasons why we failed in 2009 is<br>
> that Google was looking for bigger communities that Squeak. This is why this<br>
> year we all go under the ESUG umbrella. We present ESUG as the mentor<br>
> organization and we cover ALL open-source Smalltalk dialects, not only<br>
> Squeak. Pharo, Smalltalk/X, GNU Smalltalk, Cuis..they are all invited to<br>
> participate. Also cross platform projects like Seaside, AidaWeb, Magma, etc<br>
> are welcome.<br>
><br>
> <forThoseWhoDoesntKnowWhatGSoCIs><br>
> It is a Google program that support (money) students to work on different<br>
> open-source projects. Google doesn't talk or manage directly to the students<br>
> but trough "Mentoring Organisations". Those organizations have to apply to<br>
> GSoC. They have to give a lot of information, included a list of<br>
> ideas/projects. Each project has a description and a mentor. Then the<br>
> students apply for each project. If the organization gets selected by Google<br>
> they will tell you how many "slots" they give. Suppose they give 5 but we<br>
> have 20 projects....then we vote and the most voted projects win. The<br>
> student has to do the project and the mentor has to help and guide him. The<br>
> mentor receives 500 USD and the student 4500USD.<br>
> For more information read: <a href="http://code.google.com/soc/" target="_blank">http://code.google.com/soc/</a><br>
> </forThoseWhoDoesntKnowWhatGSoCIs><br>
><br>
> The most important thing is the deadlines we have. We started late so we are<br>
> very near to the first deadline which is 12/03/2010 (less than one week).<br>
> For that deadline we need to submit all the information of the mentor<br>
> organization (answering several questions) and give the list of<br>
> ideas/projects and the mentors of that.<br>
><br>
> We have created a webpage (Thanks Janko!!) where we will put all the<br>
> information. We will make this page public soon (we still need to review a<br>
> couple of things).<br>
> But for the moment we would REALLY appreciate if tell us your ideas. To do<br>
> this, just answer to this email. Then we will collect the information and<br>
> put in the website. For each idea you need: a short title and a paragraph<br>
> (for the moment) explaining the idea.<br>
> After, we need that the people that are willing to be mentors start to apply<br>
> as mentors...please, consider yourself being mentor. Sometimes it is not<br>
> that difficult. I mean, don't be shy as sometimes being helpful, being aware<br>
> of the dates, answering emails, etc is more important than the Smalltalk<br>
> knoweldege. We can have a lot of ideas, but we need also mentors for that.<br>
> We even would need a "substitute" for each mentor...<br>
><br>
> Just as an example you can see the ideas of the previous years:<br>
> 2007: <a href="http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/5936" target="_blank">http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/5936</a><br>
> 2008: <a href="http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6031" target="_blank">http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6031</a><br>
> 2009: <a href="http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6120" target="_blank">http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6120</a><br>
><br>
> That's all for the moment.<br>
><br>
> Cheers<br>
><br>
> Mariano<br>
><br>
><br>
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