I like all of that. I think what you're saying is really constructive. By the time I finished reading your post, I started to think SqueakMap has the possibility to be pretty exciting.<div><br></div><div>My only real animus here is against implementing what we've had before without any modification or change. I want to see some kind of evolution here and the things you're proposing sound worthwhile. </div>
<div><br></div><div>I think my problem is with the user interface. Three ways to get code ( Thank you but I will "<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; font-size: 12px; white-space: pre; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; ">Über einen Kamm scheren" - "lump together" from Google Translate) on one menu is odd. It screams legacy. </span></div>
<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; font-size: 12px; white-space: pre; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; font-size: 12px; white-space: pre; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; ">I think it comes down to this: I will not like things I don't understand and which nobody justifies the existence of. I use SqueakSource every day. I've been burned by SqueakMap. </span></div>
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1. Include some instructions in the image regarding "how to get stuff"
into the image. Seems like a good short term thing to do for 4.1. We can
easily explain the difference between SS and SM. PU (as it was called
earlier - Package Universes) is ... well, see below.</pre><pre style="font-family: monospace; margin-left: 3em; font-size: 12px; "><br></pre><pre style="font-family: monospace; margin-left: 3em; font-size: 12px; ">I like that we're moving in a constructive direction, but I don't know that written documentation is the key. It doesn't make sense to me if we're explaining weird UI design. In a way, UI design is documentation. </pre>
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2. Possibly throw out Universes in 4.1 *iff* it does not work anymore
and noone can fix it. I haven't even tried it. Does it work?</pre><pre style="font-family: monospace; margin-left: 3em; font-size: 12px; "><br></pre><pre style="font-family: monospace; margin-left: 3em; font-size: 12px; ">
I'm all for that. It's a bold stroke, and I like that kind of thing. And if we have two points of entry instead of three, that sounds good to me. And if that can be done without losing the value (to some people) of the UB, then everybody wins. </pre>
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3. Regardless of when we throw out Universes we should improve SM to
cover the "loss" of it. </pre><pre style="font-family: monospace; margin-left: 3em; font-size: 12px; ">Sounds good.</pre><pre style="font-family: monospace; margin-left: 3em; font-size: 12px; ">4. Improve SqueakMap. There is a loooong list of things we could do. One
thing of immediate interest given this discussion is to make it "mirror"
SS somehow so that packages hosted on SS are searchable and installable
from SqueakMap Package Loader and listed on <a href="http://map.squeak.org">map.squeak.org</a> etc etc. We
could also revive the "Make release on SqueakMap"-button that used to be
in SS so that it can be used for *real* releases and not just for all
new versions. Chris? Others?</pre><pre style="font-family: monospace; margin-left: 3em; font-size: 12px; ">I like all of this. </pre><pre style="font-family: monospace; margin-left: 3em; font-size: 12px; "><br></pre><pre style="font-family: monospace; margin-left: 3em; font-size: 12px; ">
I think these are really great ideas. My sole objective is to see this area of our world reformed in a way that is in keeping with all that has been accomplished in the new image. I understand how intense I've been. And I can see policial capital or goodwill that I may have had on Squeak-dev on fire all around me. But if that was the price necessary to generate the exciting reforms Goran has now proposed. I'd do it again. </pre>
<pre style="font-family: monospace; margin-left: 3em; font-size: 12px; "><br></pre><pre style="font-family: monospace; margin-left: 3em; font-size: 12px; ">Chris
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