For me Emacs is the best development environment, this is the vision that push me to do TWM.<div><br></div><div><div><div>Laurent.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 12:23 PM, Andreas Wacknitz <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:A.Wacknitz@gmx.de">A.Wacknitz@gmx.de</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">After following the discussion for some time, I have the impression that there are some smalltalkers suffering similar usability problems like my friend and me and some more or less enjoy the actual state.<br>
Dolphin 6 Professional introduced IdeaSpace. With that you can have both - single windows and tabbed windows.<br>
It's up to the user to either open windows outside IdeaSpace as independent windows or inside IdeaSpace as tabbed windows.<br>
Having the free choice is a good thing. Especially if you don't want to alienate newcomers that are used to use tabbed windows. I like this approach.<br>
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I haven't looked at TWM yet due to lack of time. I am hardly able to read the mail traffic in the evenings.<br>
But I asked my friend to have a look at it. He promised to do so although it's not suited to Pharo 1.2.1.<br>
As Pharo 1.3 is not yet stable I fear that he might have new problems in other areas.<br>
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What strikes me during this discussion is that nobody seem to have the same problem with window sizes and positions.<br>
I don't like RealEstateAgent and I don't think that a revamped one will solve the problems. At least as long it doesn't provide the possibility<br>
to set sizes on the fly. No algorithm can guess the requirements of all users.<br>
I also haven't heard about applications written in Squeak or Pharo and what about user thereof think about the usability. IMO there is a lack of<br>
an appropriate framework for dealing with such things. Or is everybody developing web applications nowadays?<br>
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I have a hard time to promote Smalltalk because of its actual state. I always tell people about my favorite programming<br>
language, but I also tell them that alas there is no good implementation of it available. This is sad but true, even if Pharo and Squeak made<br>
big progress during the last months. Both, Squeak and Pharo, aren't products but just tools. And that makes a big difference.<br>
The commercial products have characteristics that make them not very attractive to people not yet involved. Despite Dolphin they all have<br>
dated user interfaces, too. When I try to convince people to have a look at Dolphin they typically tell me: very nice but it seems to be dead already.<br>
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Regards,<br>
<font color="#888888">Andreas<br>
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