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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi all,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I hope the reports of Mantis’s demise are premature. There should be a reporting mechanism but I agree it’s difficult if there is no process around the bug tracking or actual owners. We used to have specific owners for portions of the code. Back to Tim’s question, what should the process be? Do we need to have new owners again? Should mantis email squeak-dev? Should mantis email component owners? Do we need new owners?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I know that when I first got involved with Squeak, Mantis was the perfect way to get involved. I would place a bug or submit something and Andreas or some other component owner would comment back. There were some really great bug conversations or code contribution ideas that went on in Mantis. I suppose that only works if people that are responsible for portions of the code interact when something is posted. If nobody reads it then it’s just a black hole and can be very frustrating. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>While conversations about specific topics can happen on Squeak-Dev, it’s just not the same as having the context and decisions documented somewhere specific like Mantis.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I may have missed some other comments related to bug reporting so please excuse me if I’m coming to this conversation late.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>All the best,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Ron Teitelbaum<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Casey Ransberger<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 22, 2013 11:58 PM<br><b>To:</b> The general-purpose Squeak developers list<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [squeak-dev] Mantis usage rules du jour<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Actually Mantis is probably dead. The place to report bugs is presently here. The bug tracker, as far as I can tell, is presently unloved.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 8:50 PM, Colin Putney <<a href="mailto:colin@wiresong.com" target="_blank">colin@wiresong.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 2:41 PM, Frank Shearar <<a href="mailto:frank.shearar@gmail.com" target="_blank">frank.shearar@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal> <span style='color:#222222'>Mostly we do the wrong thing, which is commit directly to trunk or,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>slightly less wrong, commit an mcz to the Inbox (MCHttpRepository<br>location: '<a href="http://source.squeak.org/inbox" target="_blank">http://source.squeak.org/inbox</a>' user: '' password: '').<br><br>So _I_ favour a bug report to Mantis<br>(<a href="http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=7740" target="_blank">http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=7740</a> right?), and if it's small,<br>just commit it to trunk and record that in the tracker. (I find it<br>really, really useful to see the audit trail in Mantis. It might be<br>seriously ugly, but it beats an inbox every day.)<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The Inbox is meant for changes that need review—either contributions from developers without direct access to the trunk, or from core developers that would like a second set of eyes on the code before it goes into trunk. So, sure, a Mantis entry is great, but core developers putting stuff in the Inbox ought to be fairly rare. The idea is to keep it easy to contribute, with minimal ceremony. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#888888'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#888888'>Colin<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <br>Casey Ransberger <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></body></html>