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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/21/2013 10:12 AM, Casey Ransberger
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<div>Hi Brad, got it. Your IT dep't needs fired;)</div>
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<div>You can totally use Lively Kernel, but you may have to deal
with some rough edges. </div>
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<div>Another possible option -- I remember John Maloney mentioning
on a podcast that they were examining reimplementing Scratch
using web technologies -- but I don't follow Scratch as closely
as the other stuff, so I don't know about the status of that
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Would that be Snap?<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://snap.berkeley.edu/">http://snap.berkeley.edu/</a><br>
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On Mar 21, 2013, at 8:31 AM, Brad Fuller <<a
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Thanks for the reply, Casey,<br>
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The particular issue I have with squeak is it's issue of
accessing the Internet securely - school IT departments have
an issue - they don't know who/what/ squeak is and going
through the red tape is a potential problem. And the
web-browser plugin was always a bit of an issue as well. I
don't know if anyone is working on the plugin for web
browsers... but I want to deploy for easy inclusion in a
browser... or at the very least connect to the net.<br>
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I don't usually cross-post, but I've included this msg on
the Squeak-dev ML since you advocate the use of etoys in a
production environment (which I admit I haven't actually
defined what "production" means)<br>
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thanks again,<br>
brad<br>
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On 3/21/2013 3:08 AM, Casey Ransberger wrote:<br>
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type="cite">Etoys is in real use in real schools all over
the place. I use it as a replacement for HyperCard at times
myself. If you can be more specific about what's making you
nervous about Etoys, that might help folks steer you in the
right direction. If you pull up the preferences browser via
the halo on the Etoys desktop, search for etoyfriendly, and
disable it, you'll unlock the underlying Smalltalk
programming environment (Squeak.) Squeak is *definitely*
production (or maybe "product") worthy.
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<div>Another system which is a bit easier to learn, but
generally less powerful, is Scratch.</div>
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<div>Lively Kernel is a research system, so it's less
likely to be "product like" than those two if that's
what you're looking for.</div>
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PM, Brad Fuller <span dir="ltr"><<a
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Hi All,<br>
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New to the list. Have several questions that Dan
suggested you would have great insight.<br>
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I'm researching better ways to help kids
experientially learn (K-8 primarily but up to
college is planned). I have not yet found a platform
or system better than etoys. But, etoys is not quite
a production platform. And, I would like
platform/system to be accessible everywhere. I've
also contemplated deploying Django and writing the
apps in Python.<br>
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My questions: are there better alternatives? Could
you offer avenues for further research into a
production system? Would the lively-kernel be a good
alternative? Or will it continue to be a prototyping
system? Could I start a demo on lively-kernel and
expect I could port it to a production environment
(that is if lively-kernel or facsimile is planned
for production.)<br>
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Thanks much!<span class="HOEnZb"><font
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brad<br>
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