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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/21/2013 8:31 AM, Brad Fuller
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Thanks for the reply, Casey,<br>
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The particular issue I have with squeak is it's issue of
accessing the Internet securely - school IT departments have an
issue - they don't know who/what/ squeak is and going through
the red tape is a potential problem. And the web-browser plugin
was always a bit of an issue as well. I don't know if anyone is
working on the plugin for web browsers... but I want to deploy
for easy inclusion in a browser... or at the very least connect
to the net.<br>
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Since no one has commented, shall I assume Squeak browser plugin is
a no go?<br>
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I don't usually cross-post, but I've included this msg on the
Squeak-dev ML since you advocate the use of etoys in a
production environment (which I admit I haven't actually defined
what "production" means)<br>
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thanks again,<br>
brad<br>
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On 3/21/2013 3:08 AM, Casey Ransberger wrote:<br>
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type="cite">Etoys is in real use in real schools all over the
place. I use it as a replacement for HyperCard at times myself.
If you can be more specific about what's making you nervous
about Etoys, that might help folks steer you in the right
direction. If you pull up the preferences browser via the halo
on the Etoys desktop, search for etoyfriendly, and disable it,
you'll unlock the underlying Smalltalk programming environment
(Squeak.) Squeak is *definitely* production (or maybe "product")
worthy.
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<div>Another system which is a bit easier to learn, but
generally less powerful, is Scratch.</div>
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<div>Lively Kernel is a research system, so it's less likely
to be "product like" than those two if that's what you're
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 4:27 PM,
Brad Fuller <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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All,<br>
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New to the list. Have several questions that Dan
suggested you would have great insight.<br>
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I'm researching better ways to help kids experientially
learn (K-8 primarily but up to college is planned). I
have not yet found a platform or system better than
etoys. But, etoys is not quite a production platform.
And, I would like platform/system to be accessible
everywhere. I've also contemplated deploying Django and
writing the apps in Python.<br>
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My questions: are there better alternatives? Could you
offer avenues for further research into a production
system? Would the lively-kernel be a good alternative?
Or will it continue to be a prototyping system? Could I
start a demo on lively-kernel and expect I could port it
to a production environment (that is if lively-kernel or
facsimile is planned for production.)<br>
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Thanks much!<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
brad<br>
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