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<p dir="ltr">Yes... I agree... perhaps its more of a business
problem that needs to be addressed.<br>
Maybe one that is fixed with proper technical implementation along
with business solutions.<br>
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<p dir="ltr">Ok, so what's the problem? Background argument: I think
squeak is a _pretty_good_ platform for educational products (as
I've mentioned). You can quickly develop product (if you know the
capabilities of the classes well.) and it runs on multiple
platforms on various versions of those platforms. Fantastic!<br>
</p>
<p dir="ltr">It isn't bullet proof (really, what is) I wish the
multimedia capabilities were much more robust (I'll probably get
hammered for saying that). There are other issues, but the main
thing is trust. I haven't heard school boards, or IT departments
(if you want to call them that) feeling good about the support,
the security and the development structure around the platform.
I've heard the opposite. Perhaps I'm totally wrong, and I'd like
to be.<br>
</p>
<p dir="ltr">Some of that is because there isn't a company that
stands behind and supports its applications --- because... well...
there isn't any that I know of that are widespread.<br>
</p>
<p dir="ltr">What's the good news?<br>
If you start researching the world for educational products you
see an enormously wide range of markets and acceptance. Everybody
is talking about 2.0 and 3.0 educational products. There are
websites, foundations, companies, and mostly educational
non-profit entities focused on new technology for learning.<br>
</p>
<p dir="ltr">So, why a "web browser plugin". Its clearly just to get
around the IT department approval of running an app locally. If
it's in the browser, and found to be relatively secure, it's
usually accepted.</p>
<p dir="ltr"><br>
And, while I'm writing this, perhaps we just need a company out
there that puts a stake in the ground and starts developing
product, supporting it, to build trust in the community and
industry to show that Squeak could be a great platform on which to
build super product.<br>
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<p dir="ltr">So, you're right. Unless it could be used to further
the education of a CS student, I withdraw my proposal. Perhaps
there is something that could be done in GSoC to further the
security of Squeak and it's connection to the Internet?<br>
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<p dir="ltr">brad<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">"Janko Mivšek"
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:janko.mivsek@eranova.si"><janko.mivsek@eranova.si></a> wrote:
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; word-wrap:break-word; font-family: sans-serif; margin-top: 0px">Hi Brad,
I added it to the ideas but I'm questioning the whole plugin idea
because nowadays everyone is running away of any plugin as fast as
possible. From Flash, Java plugins included. Also, any plugin must
nowadays support 5 different browsers on 3 different OSes + add mobile
ones and you have a mess unmaintainable even for biggest players like
Adobe or Oracle for Java.
Best regards
Janko
Dne 26. 03. 2013 17:46, piše Brad Fuller:
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;">Here's an idea. If you think this is a viable idea for students, please
enhance what I have already entered.
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Title:
Squeak Web browser Plugin for Major Browsers
Level:
Intermediate to Advanced
Possible mentor: (if already known)
Possible second mentor: (if already known)
Description:
The goal is to make Squeak accessible within major web browsers.
Mozilla Firefox and Google Chrome/Chromium are two open-source
browsers that should be targeted/tested. Safari, IE and Opera would be
nice to have, and strongly encouraged.
Technical Details:
The current plugin code could be a good start.
Benefits to the Student:
Learn or enhance knowledge of web browser plugins for major browsers.
Requires student to learn techniques to interface two different products
(squeak and a web browser) - each that maintain their own unique
characteristics.
Helps student be more attractive for Internet-based technical employment.
Benefits to the Community
A Squeak plugin breaks the Page-Bound barrier of traditional HTML/JS/PHP
generated content.
Current Squeak applications could be easily adapted and utilized by
users almost immediately.
Allows new web apps to be created using powerful built-in Squeak tools.
Could elevate the marketability of Squeak and may proliferate it's use.
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On 3/26/2013 4:40 AM, Janko Mivšek wrote:
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Not much Squeak related ones between GSoC ideas, which are slowly
coming, 14 so far, but this is way below the 30+ in previous years. So,
stretch your brain, come with some more ideas, which will be interesting
for potential students and of course useful for our community. Students
you are again welcome to propose such idea by your own. One student idea
for now!
Ideas so far: <a href="http://gsoc2013.esug.org/ideas">http://gsoc2013.esug.org/ideas</a>
To propose an idea just respond to this post by fulfilling this idea
template:
Title:
Level: (beginner, intermediate, advanced)
Possible mentor: (if already known)
Possible second mentor: (if already known)
Description
Technical Details
Benefits to the Student
Benefits to the Community
Best regards
Serge and Janko,
your this year GSoC admins</blockquote>
</blockquote>--
Janko Mivšek
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