<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Tobias Pape <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Das.Linux@gmx.de" target="_blank">Das.Linux@gmx.de</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Am 08.10.2013 um 23:14 schrieb Eliot Miranda <<a href="mailto:eliot.miranda@gmail.com">eliot.miranda@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
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> Hi Tobias, Tim,<br>
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> On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Tobias Pape <<a href="mailto:Das.Linux@gmx.de">Das.Linux@gmx.de</a>> wrote:<br>
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>> Am 08.10.2013 um 22:49 schrieb tim Rowledge <<a href="mailto:tim@rowledge.org">tim@rowledge.org</a>>:<br>
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>>> On 08-10-2013, at 12:58 PM, Eliot Miranda <<a href="mailto:eliot.miranda@gmail.com">eliot.miranda@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
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>>>> If it weren't for comments (and comments are /really/ important) we'd<br>
>> have implemented a parameterised formatted by now that auto-formatted code<br>
>> to the preferences of the reader and this would all be moot. But without a<br>
>> good AI I don't see how to spot and preserve while reformatting multi-line<br>
>> comments, comments with diagrams in them, etc, etc, etc.<br>
>>>> --<br>
>>><br>
>>> One possible thing we could do with comments is make them act like<br>
>> comments to annotated Word/Pages documents. Select the section of code, hit<br>
>> MagicKey-comment, enter comment in balloon. Comments get to live in their<br>
>> own private formatting space, unaffected by whatever happens to the code<br>
>> layout. Possibly, they could be handled so that the code differ doesn't<br>
>> have to get confused by them, potentially simplifying that important job.<br>
>>><br>
>><br>
>> CodeTalk.<br>
>> <a href="https://www.hpi.uni-potsdam.de/hirschfeld/trac/SqueakCommunityProjects/wiki/codetalk" target="_blank">https://www.hpi.uni-potsdam.de/hirschfeld/trac/SqueakCommunityProjects/wiki/codetalk</a><br>
>> Yours truly had been involved with this in his bachelor's project[1]<br>
>> which then was done in cooperation with Andreas and Qwaq.<br>
>><br>
>> There is a Paper[2] with screenshots also, an Marcel[3] wrote his<br>
>> Bachelor's Thesis<br>
>> about this[4].<br>
>><br>
>> You get pop-out chats on your code that get sync-ed via a monticello<br>
>> extension.<br>
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> So what does a file-out look like? What's the textual/interchange format<br>
> e.g. in a Monticello package?<br>
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</div></div>There is no textual form in the monticello file.<br>
The presence of chatting information is stored as extended<br>
text attibutes (like links or colors) and the chats itself<br>
are serialized binary as a new zip part (like snapshot.bin)<br>
(see §3.6 of <a href="http://www.taeumel.eu/pdf/bachelors-thesis.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.taeumel.eu/pdf/bachelors-thesis.pdf</a>)<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>thanks!</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Best<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"> -Tobias<br>
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>>> once you have them separated, you can display them according to whatever<br>
>> algorithm you like. Inline them, have them float at the side, have them<br>
>> only pop-up when pointer is in the relevant region, list them at the end<br>
>> like footnotes, whatever. Or even invert the view - have the comments<br>
>> appear as the main text with the code off to the side.<br>
>>><br>
>>> tim<br>
>><br>
>> Best<br>
>> -Tobias<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> [1] Our Univerisities way to get your fingers dirty in order to be able to<br>
>> write your thesis.<br>
>> [2] <a href="http://www.taeumel.eu/pdf/codetalk-ieee.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.taeumel.eu/pdf/codetalk-ieee.pdf</a><br>
>> [3] The guy who also did the Morpic designer:<br>
>> <a href="https://www.hpi.uni-potsdam.de/hirschfeld/trac/SqueakCommunityProjects/wiki/designer" target="_blank">https://www.hpi.uni-potsdam.de/hirschfeld/trac/SqueakCommunityProjects/wiki/designer</a><br>
>> [4] <a href="http://www.taeumel.eu/pdf/bachelors-thesis.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.taeumel.eu/pdf/bachelors-thesis.pdf</a><br>
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<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>best,<div>Eliot</div>
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