<div dir="ltr"><div>I don't say it's not possible, especially if you stay concentrated on one distribution,<br>It's perfectly do-able, and I wish success to the 3 main branches, Cuis Pharo Squeak.<br><br></div>
<div>What I say is that transporting packages from one distribution to another is a tremendous work.<br></div><div>Even if we have cleaned inter-package dependencies (most of this hardwork effectively comes from Pavel in Squeak/Pharo branches), we have to suffer from<br>
</div><div>- different choices for some basic API (includeSubstring: as example)<br></div><div>- different delimitation of packages (Take Pharo Text-Scanning as example)<br></div><div>- total lack of support from Monticello<br>
<div><br></div>I sometimes tries to port some low level code
(Kernel, Graphics, Morphic, Collection) from one distribution to
another, and often resort to using change sets, MC just do not work.<br><br></div><div>Even if we would improve tools, the first two points depend on a minimum of coordination, and it's not in the mood of Pharo developers.<br>
</div><div>Pharo want to be free of these chains, because it has to win a sprint:<br></div><div>- clean up the maximum of dust before the system is frozen by large user base...<br></div><div>It's not a critic, I perfectly understand this position, it's a deliberate choice.<br>
</div><br><div>Nicolas<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/10/29 Edgar J. De Cleene <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:edgardec2005@gmail.com" target="_blank">edgardec2005@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
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On 10/29/13, 5:42 AM, "Pavel Krivanek" <<a href="mailto:squeak1@continentalbrno.cz">squeak1@continentalbrno.cz</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Hi Nicolas,<br>
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> for Squeak we were able to shrink the system to a small kernel and<br>
> reload and initialize the Morphic back long ago. In 2006. Two years<br>
> before Pharo started to exist. The reason why Pharo can do it now and<br>
> Squeak not is not technical.<br>
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> Cheers,<br>
> -- Pavel<br>
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</div>I take your mail for say MUCHAS GRACIAS for your work of all this years.<br>
Extend to Guillermo and other people working on Hazelnut, Seed and related.<br>
Wish know if you have a special list for this, Pharo list this days send too<br>
many mails and los my focus.<br>
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To Nicolas, maybe I'm Dr. Frankenstein and like to build a Creature of best<br>
parts of Squeak , Pharo and Cuis.<br>
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What I wish.<br>
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Kind of backwards compatibility which Pharo and Cuis lack now.<br>
That do not means you must have a bad system.<br>
Juan have a beautiful system and if I'm was younger stick to Cuis<br>
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Pharo seems the most serious, but again, change too fast to my taste.<br>
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This Wednesday we start Smalltalks 2013 here in Rosario<br>
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<a href="http://www.fast.org.ar/smalltalks2013" target="_blank">http://www.fast.org.ar/smalltalks2013</a><br>
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So I take the opportunity to talk face to face with bright people.<br>
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Edgar<br>
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