<div dir="ltr">Hi tty,<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 9:19 AM, gettimothy <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gettimothy@zoho.com" target="_blank">gettimothy@zoho.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><u></u><div><div style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">Oops, I posted to squeak-dev instead of vm-dev. I have added a CC so we can continue there if you wish.<br>
<br>Ahhhh, I see what's going on now, its an incremental approach..makes sense now.<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yes. Qwaq got something faster sooner. The phone folks got a faster VM that doesn't require a JIT (see StackVM on Android, iPhone etc). I got a simpler simulator for Spur. Lots of advantages.</div>
<div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">Smalltalk-80 VM (Blue Book) -> Squeak VM (OE-Tour.pdf)->Stack VM (<a href="http://www.mirandabanda.org/cogblog/2009/01/14/under-cover-contexts-and-the-big-frame-up/" target="_blank">http://www.mirandabanda.org/cogblog/2009/01/14/under-cover-contexts-and-the-big-frame-up/</a>)->Cog (JIT, Stack To Register Mapping, ..<a href="http://www.mirandabanda.org/cogblog/about-cog/" target="_blank">http://www.mirandabanda.org/cogblog/about-cog/</a>)<br>
->Spur (changing the garbage collector and the object representation) ->Lazy Become (<a href="http://www.mirandabanda.org/cogblog/2013/09/13/lazy-become-and-a-partial-read-barrier/" target="_blank">http://www.mirandabanda.org/cogblog/2013/09/13/lazy-become-and-a-partial-read-barrier/</a>)<br>
<br><br>From your post here: <a href="http://www.mirandabanda.org/cogblog/2008/12/12/simulate-out-of-the-bochs/" target="_blank">http://www.mirandabanda.org/cogblog/2008/12/12/simulate-out-of-the-bochs/</a> I gather you used the StackVM with Alien and Bochs as your base to build the JIT for Cog .<br>
</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>That's right.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">
So then, in an earlier response to my inquiry on the ~$1,000,000 bounty for cmakeifying the process thread, you wrote <br><blockquote style="border:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:7px;background-color:rgb(245,245,245)">
<div>...then you could instead have a go at getting the Stack VM working in 64-bits, and that would involve getting the 64-bit VM simulator working in VMMaker. <br></div></blockquote>Which makes sense. Basically, I would be doing a 64 bit version of follow the leader on your existing 32 bit work where it should all come together at Spur.<br>
<br>Does that sound about right?<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Exactly right. With the StackVM simulator you can get a 64-bit Spur memory manager working. Then you can get an x86-64 code generator going with the Cog VM simulator.</div>
<div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">tty<br><br><div>---- On Wed, 27 Nov 2013 08:47:03 -0800 <b>Eliot Miranda <<a href="mailto:eliot.miranda@gmail.com" target="_blank">eliot.miranda@gmail.com</a>></b> wrote ---- <br>
</div><div><div class="h5"><br><blockquote style="border-left:1px solid #0000ff;padding-left:6px;margin:0 0 0 5px"><div dir="ltr"><br><div><br><br><div>On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 8:05 AM, Levente Uzonyi <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:leves@elte.hu" target="_blank">leves@elte.hu</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>On Wed, 27 Nov 2013, gettimothy wrote:<br> <br> <blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> I am confused as to what the term 'Stack VM' refers to.<br>
</blockquote> <br></div> "The StackInterpreter is an intermediate step after closures and before the JIT to ensure steady progress and on-time delivery of a substantially faster VM. The essential point, of course, is that a stack organization suits the use of native call and return instructions whose use, along with in-line cacheing techniques, substantially improve send and return performance." - <a href="http://www.mirandabanda.org/cogblog/2009/01/14/under-cover-contexts-and-the-big-frame-up/" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://www.mirandabanda.org/" target="_blank">http://www.mirandabanda.org/</a><u></u>cogblog/2009/01/14/under-<u></u>cover-contexts-and-the-big-<u></u>frame-up/<br>
<br> I would say it's a CogVM without a JIT.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Exactly. Another way of saying it is that the StackVM is an interpreter that doesn't use contexts. Instead it uses stack frames, much like a conventional language implementation. And remember "doesn't use contexts" doesn't mean "doesn't have contexts"; instead context objects are created when the program asks for them instead of on every send. The StackVM's performance is about 1.5x the Context Interpreter VM. The Cog VM is about 5x the Context Interpreter VM.</div>
<div><br></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span><font color="#888888"> Levente</font></span><div><div><br> <br> <blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
> Here is the outline I have. > > Smalltalk VM = Blue <br> </blockquote> Book > Squeak VM = Tim Rowledge's OE-Tour.pdf<br> <blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Stack VM = ??<br> Cog = Squeak VM redesigned per <a href="http://www.mirandabanda.org/cogblog/about-cog/" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://www.mirandabanda.org/" target="_blank">http://www.mirandabanda.org/</a><u></u>cogblog/about-cog/<br>
<br> thx,<br> <br> tty<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> </blockquote> </div></div><br><br> <br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>best,<div>Eliot</div> </div></div> <br></blockquote><br>
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<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>best,<div>Eliot</div>
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