<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"><html><head><meta content="text/html;charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"></head><body ><div style='font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;'>I am not a Seaside expert--and I am activelly trying to move away from web-development.<br><br>If I may throw out a bit of advocacy here.<br><br>I used to made my living doing "middleware" work in web development ( I still do some freelance PHP work to pay the bills). <br>My specialty is getting data from the database to the web page for the designers to use, back through the business layer and to the database.<br><br>I have used PHP and its frameworks: Zend, CodeIgniter, Java and its frameworks (which are pretty good) and the Microsoft stack (which I hate)<br>By far the easiest to use for complex applications in that "middleware" stack is Seaside components. All you do is get a robust definition of what<br>the use-case is and the application pretty much writes itself. Development time and maintenance are greatly reduced.<br><br>I do see the trend towards Javascript by the young-uns out there--most developers do think in Algol afterall--which is fine, but it is really repeating the 70's all over again.<br>It get's boring--same coding style, same frameworks to manage the short-comings..just blah.<br><br><br>Once you "get" how to think in a non-algol language, there really is no going back--except for system level stuff near the metal where C is king.<br><br>Jut my 2 cents.<br><br><br>tty.<br><br><br><br><br><div id="1"><br>---- On Wed, 22 Jan 2014 05:12:04 -0800 <b>Colin Putney<colin@wiresong.com></b> wrote ---- <br></div><br><blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid #0000FF; padding-left: 6px; margin:0 0 0 5px">On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 8:02 AM, Stephan Eggermont <<a subj="" mailid="stephan%40stack.nl" href="mailto:stephan@stack.nl" target="_blank">stephan@stack.nl</a>> wrote: <br>> Tim wrote: <br> <br>>>Really? I haven’t taken any interest in web development in ages; what’s the replacement for Seaside? <br>> <br>> There is none. Client side javascript development is horrible. Nothing available that can be expected <br>> to have a significant market share 5 years from now. <br> <br>That's to be expected. Smalltalk is an obscure language from the 80s. <br>It doesn't, and won't, have significant marketshare in any market. <br> <br></blockquote><br></div></body></html>