<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">Paolo<div><br></div><div>I did not discuss yet with the ESUG board but we are sick of all this. </div><div>Can you really run the GSOC this year administratively because I think that ESUG should stop to be a bank for it?</div><div>I think that Janko is getting off. We cannot work with a person like that. I will make us lose too much energy. </div><div>Like that the mentors will be free to do whatever they want to do.</div><div><br></div><div>Stef</div><div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div style="font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">Dear all,<br><br>First to Luc: from your numbers it is clear that you are not to be<br>blamed on anything, because you were obviously misinformed and misguided.<br><br>Facts namely are:<br><br>1. GSoC mentors decided to pay extra stipendiums 3000 USD [1] while<br> ESUG without approval paid 2000 more, 5000 USD, without any report<br> back to GSoC mentors,<br><br>2. GSoC mentors decided to add past GSoC2012 amount to the pool for<br> paying extra projects [2][3].<br><br>Calculation (without the Summit expenses) therefore is:<br><br>Income: GSoC 2012 13x 500 = 6.500 USD<br> GSoC 2013 13x 500 = 6.500 USD<br> ------------------------------<br> 13.000 USD<br><br>Expenses:<br> Extra stipendiums: 3x 3.000 = 9.000 USD<br><br>Difference: + 4.000 USD<br><br>If ESUG would follow the decisions of GSoC mentors it wouldn't loose any<br>money but gain 4.000 USD.<br><br>Those that misinformed and misguided you needs therefore to apologize to<br>you Luc, to the GSoC mentors and to me as admin!<br><br>Janko<br><br>[1]<br><a href="https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/Yrlj8dIgGPg">https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/Yrlj8dIgGPg</a><br>[2]<br><a href="https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/WwnxpkXzAB8">https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/WwnxpkXzAB8</a><br>[3]<br><a href="https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/tR44jdPT5Hw">https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/tR44jdPT5Hw</a><br><br><br>Dne 09. 02. 2014 17:26, piše Luc Fabresse:<br><blockquote type="cite">Hi all,<br><br>------------<br>FACTS<br><br>As you all know, I am the ESUG treasurer.<br>So please find the numbers attached for the ESUG support of GSOC<br>projects in 2013.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>ESUG sponsored 3 "extra-GSOC" meaning extra slots not accepted by Google.<br>In the file it is: Alejandro Infante, Pablo Estefo and Benjamin Arezki.<br><br>All in all we paid:<br>- 3695EUR (~5000USD at that time i.e. same cost as a regular GSOC) each<br>projects<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>- Serge trip to Mentor summit<br><br>And we received 5552EUR from Google<br><br>so yes we lost ~6582EUR<br>That is easy 13*500 USD would only cover 1 plain extra-Gsoc and we<br>sponsorized 3.<br><br>I also think that it is important to send someone to the GSoc mentor<br>summit because it participates to the fact that Google recognizes ESUG<br>ang gives slots the next year.<br><br>It is alos important to note dates.<br>ESUG paid first and then has been refund by Google.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>It would not be possible to do it without ESUG.<br><br>------------<br>FROM HERE, MY POINT OF VIEW ON THIS STORY:<br><br>As some of you know, I doing the ESUG treasury stuff on my *own* time<br>and it takes a lot!<br>I am doing it because I strongly believe that Smalltalk (all falvors!)<br>is a really great language that should be more widespread.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>I also completely open to discussions.<br>The ESUG board can also explain its actions and even money status.<br>I can do errors too.<br>So if Janko wants some details on GSOC related money, JUST ASK!<br><br>I cannot admit that:<br><br>- Janko wrote about some money accusation. This is directly directed<br>against the treasurer so me.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>And honestly, just reading again that I am biased and that I hide or<br>steal money make me think that I should better quit.<br><br>- Janko asked for apologies! what is that? even if I would have done a<br>mistake (and ESUG did not loose money), YOU STILL MUST THANK ME for<br>DOING THIS BORING TASK! and then I can correct mistakes if any<br><br>- People wants an answer fast, this conversation started yesterday and I<br>am spending my week-end with my kids<br><br><br>I am really fed up with this kind of attitude.<br>Stop accuse, better ask, discuss and we will solve the problems together<br>if any.<br>But I think it will never happen...<br><br>#Luc<br>The disgusted Treasurer of ESUG who will finish his week-end in bad mood<br><br></blockquote><br><br>--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Janko Mivšek<br>Smalltalk GSoC Admin Team</div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></body></html>