<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div><br><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">Phil,<br><br>This matter is actually very important for Smalltalk community, because<br>it exposes nontransparent, meddling behind the scenes, and in some cases<br>blatantly unethical behavior of some ESUG board members. Which is<br>certainly bad for our community on long term.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Janko CAN YOU STOP!</div><div><br></div><div>"blatantly unethical behavior”</div><div>Really</div><div><br></div><div>Stef</div><div><br></div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><br>Such matters need to be clarified and some conclusions to be made for a<br>community to preserve health and go on. Otherwise you are drowning into<br>murky waters more and more.<br><br>Best regards<br>Janko<br><br>Dne 10. 02. 2014 09:12, piše<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:phil@highoctane.be">phil@highoctane.be</a>:<br><blockquote type="cite">Guys,<br><br>From the outside it just looks like a couple of spoiled kids battling in<br>the kindergarten.<br><br>All of this is not moving Smalltalk and Pharo any single bit forward.<br>Backwards, there is a fair chance.<br><br>Now, could you take this discussion elsewhere? Pick up a phone and talk.<br><br>Who cares if anyone is right? Oh yeah, EUR 4K, what a huge amount to<br>fight over for an European org... (rolleyes).<br><br>Phil<br><br><br><br><br>On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 8:29 AM, Luc Fabresse <<a href="mailto:luc.fabresse@gmail.com">luc.fabresse@gmail.com</a><br><<a href="mailto:luc.fabresse@gmail.com">mailto:luc.fabresse@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br><br> Hi Janko,<br><br> I do not have all numbers at hand now but in 2013 there were 4<br> extra-GSOC but we paid only 3 because one student gave<br> up (Jean-Baptiste Beuzelin).<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> So yes you are probably right that it remains money if we integrate<br> last year BUT we were willing to spend it.<br><br> Luc<br><br><br> 2014-02-09 Janko Mivšek <<a href="mailto:janko.mivsek@eranova.si">janko.mivsek@eranova.si</a><br> <<a href="mailto:janko.mivsek@eranova.si">mailto:janko.mivsek@eranova.si</a>>>:<br><br> Dear all,<br><br> First to Luc: from your numbers it is clear that you are not to be<br> blamed on anything, because you were obviously misinformed and<br> misguided.<br><br> Facts namely are:<br><br> 1. GSoC mentors decided to pay extra stipendiums 3000 USD [1] while<br> ESUG without approval paid 2000 more, 5000 USD, without any<br> report<br> back to GSoC mentors,<br><br> 2. GSoC mentors decided to add past GSoC2012 amount to the pool for<br> paying extra projects [2][3].<br><br> Calculation (without the Summit expenses) therefore is:<br><br> Income: GSoC 2012 13x 500 = 6.500 USD<br> GSoC 2013 13x 500 = 6.500 USD<br> ------------------------------<br> 13.000 USD<br><br> Expenses:<br> Extra stipendiums: 3x 3.000 = 9.000 USD<br><br> Difference: + 4.000 USD<br><br> If ESUG would follow the decisions of GSoC mentors it wouldn't<br> loose any<br> money but gain 4.000 USD.<br><br> Those that misinformed and misguided you needs therefore to<br> apologize to<br> you Luc, to the GSoC mentors and to me as admin!<br><br> Janko<br><br> [1]<br> <a href="https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/Yrlj8dIgGPg">https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/Yrlj8dIgGPg</a><br> [2]<br> <a href="https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/WwnxpkXzAB8">https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/WwnxpkXzAB8</a><br> [3]<br> <a href="https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/tR44jdPT5Hw">https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/tR44jdPT5Hw</a><br><br><br> Dne 09. 02. 2014 17:26, piše Luc Fabresse:<br><blockquote type="cite">Hi all,<br><br>------------<br>FACTS<br><br>As you all know, I am the ESUG treasurer.<br>So please find the numbers attached for the ESUG support of GSOC<br>projects in 2013.<br><br>ESUG sponsored 3 "extra-GSOC" meaning extra slots not accepted<br></blockquote> by Google.<br><blockquote type="cite">In the file it is: Alejandro Infante, Pablo Estefo and<br></blockquote> Benjamin Arezki.<br><blockquote type="cite"><br>All in all we paid:<br>- 3695EUR (~5000USD at that time i.e. same cost as a regular<br></blockquote> GSOC) each<br><blockquote type="cite">projects<br>- Serge trip to Mentor summit<br><br>And we received 5552EUR from Google<br><br>so yes we lost ~6582EUR<br>That is easy 13*500 USD would only cover 1 plain extra-Gsoc and we<br>sponsorized 3.<br><br>I also think that it is important to send someone to the GSoc<br></blockquote> mentor<br><blockquote type="cite">summit because it participates to the fact that Google<br></blockquote> recognizes ESUG<br><blockquote type="cite">ang gives slots the next year.<br><br>It is alos important to note dates.<br>ESUG paid first and then has been refund by Google.<br>It would not be possible to do it without ESUG.<br><br>------------<br>FROM HERE, MY POINT OF VIEW ON THIS STORY:<br><br>As some of you know, I doing the ESUG treasury stuff on my<br></blockquote> *own* time<br><blockquote type="cite">and it takes a lot!<br>I am doing it because I strongly believe that Smalltalk (all<br></blockquote> falvors!)<br><blockquote type="cite">is a really great language that should be more widespread.<br><br>I also completely open to discussions.<br>The ESUG board can also explain its actions and even money status.<br>I can do errors too.<br>So if Janko wants some details on GSOC related money, JUST ASK!<br><br>I cannot admit that:<br><br>- Janko wrote about some money accusation. This is directly<br></blockquote> directed<br><blockquote type="cite">against the treasurer so me.<br>And honestly, just reading again that I am biased and that I<br></blockquote> hide or<br><blockquote type="cite">steal money make me think that I should better quit.<br><br>- Janko asked for apologies! what is that? even if I would<br></blockquote> have done a<br><blockquote type="cite">mistake (and ESUG did not loose money), YOU STILL MUST THANK<br></blockquote> ME for<br><blockquote type="cite">DOING THIS BORING TASK! and then I can correct mistakes if any<br><br>- People wants an answer fast, this conversation started<br></blockquote> yesterday and I<br><blockquote type="cite">am spending my week-end with my kids<br><br><br>I am really fed up with this kind of attitude.<br>Stop accuse, better ask, discuss and we will solve the<br></blockquote> problems together<br><blockquote type="cite">if any.<br>But I think it will never happen...<br><br>#Luc<br>The disgusted Treasurer of ESUG who will finish his week-end<br></blockquote> in bad mood<br><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><br><br> --<br> Janko Mivšek<br> Smalltalk GSoC Admin Team<br><br><br><br></blockquote><br>--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Janko Mivšek<br>Svetovalec za informatiko<br>Eranova d.o.o.<br>Ljubljana, Slovenija<br><a href="http://www.eranova.si/">www.eranova.si</a><br>tel: 01 514 22 55<br>faks: 01 514 22 56<br>gsm: 031 674 565</div></blockquote></div><br></body></html>