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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi Janko,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>So you overrode Stef’s decision, left the project in, and what happened. Did we get a Newspeak / Smalltalk translator?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I’m not sure I agree with Igor here. If someone wanted to do a translator to some other language, that might be cool. Having more ways to integrate with other languages may not be a bad idea. I don’t think it would be a project for a student or something that could be properly accomplished during a summer. But I guess that doesn’t matter, a summer could get you 80% of the way there.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>This seems to me to be a difference of opinion and not an ethical lapse or an abuse of power. Stef was right in asking for the suggestion to be removed. You were right to disagree. In both cases it was a judgment call. It seems to me that since the project stayed on the site, that Stef was also quite reasonable. He listened to your objection, he heard your opinion, (he probably disagreed with you), and he let the idea stay on the site. The only thing that may have made this better would have been Stef requesting the removal publically. This transparency would have come at the risk of alienating the Newspeak community which in my mind is still part of the Smalltalk community, and one of the better contributors of code for all of us (considering their current work on Cog and Spur). In that light, I understand the desire to do it privately.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>In this case, in my opinion, everyone acted ethically. There is no blame to be found. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>All the best,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Corbel","sans-serif";color:#4F81BD'>Ron Teitelbaum<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Head Of Engineering<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>3d Immersive Collaboration Consulting<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="mailto:ron@3dicc.com">ron@3dicc.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Follow Me On Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/RonTeitelbaum">@RonTeitelbaum</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.3dicc.com/">www.3dicc.com</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="https://www.google.com/+3dicc">https://www.google.com/+3dicc</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Igor Stasenko<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 10, 2014 12:15 PM<br><b>To:</b> Janko Mivšek<br><b>Cc:</b> ESUG Mailing list; Pharo Development List; Squeak<br><b>Subject:</b> [squeak-dev] Re: [Esug-list] Unethical behaviour on GSoC 2010 (was The truth on GSOC, ESUG and bad attitude)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 10 February 2014 17:38, Janko Mivšek <<a href="mailto:janko.mivsek@eranova.si" target="_blank">janko.mivsek@eranova.si</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Time therefore to expose that sad story from GSoC 2010. So that the<br>community can judge by themselves if my claims are insults or real.<br><br>For the start, this was not a money matter but meddling into project<br>selection process.<br><br>Here is the story:<br><br>On GSoC 2010 Gilad Bracha proposed a Newspeak/Smalltalk Import/Export<br>Tool project idea [1]. After the idea was put on ideas list [2],<br>Stéphane Ducasse ordered my co-admin to remove Gilad's idea from the<br>list. Co-admin told that to me. I was shocked that someone can come to<br>such an idea to remove something even in the idea phase from the GSoC.<br>Of course I rejected such an order immediately.<br><br>Even more, co-admin was at that time just starting the postgraduade<br>study under the Mr.Ducasse mentorship. You can imagine how he felt, like<br>between two fires. It is reasonable therefore to suspect that Mr.Duccase<br>uses his power as a mentor over postgraduate student to try to achieve<br>his goal.<br><br>What was the motivation of Mr.Ducasse to made such a blatant act was not<br>quite clear to me. And is also not important. Important is that such<br>removal attempts are totally unacceptable. Only GSoC mentors have that<br>right by reviewing and voting on the projects to be finally selected for<br>stipendiums.<br><br>In any case, this incident was a start of my thinking and working on<br>GSoC to be as transparent, neutral and independent as possible.<br><br>Best regards<br>Janko<br><br>[1] <a href="http://gsoc2010.esug.org/projects/newspeak-tool" target="_blank">http://gsoc2010.esug.org/projects/newspeak-tool</a><br>[2] <a href="http://gsoc2010.esug.org/ideas" target="_blank">http://gsoc2010.esug.org/ideas</a><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><br>Lol.<br>Now please think how much curses will be there if this would be allowed.<br><br>Else why just Newspeak? Why not Ruby, Self, C, C#, Lisp etc.. (i bet there are many mentors/students who would want to paid for doing project in the language of their choice).<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Except that it is not smalltalk.. and has nothing to do with ESUG mission. And therefore Stef was absolutely correct.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Case closed.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><br>-- <br>Best regards,<br>Igor Stasenko. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></body></html>