<div dir="ltr">I should know better than to get involved in this sad affair.<div><br></div><div>I will note that when the Smalltalk GSoc effort started, I was <b>explicitly asked to participate</b>. I myself noted that Newspeak is sufficiently different from Smalltalk that it should be regarded as a different language, but was assured that this effort was designed to be inclusive of anything in the Smalltalk family. </div>
<div><br></div><div>So I proposed a few projects none of which were accepted. I think that's fine - no one has to agree with me on what is important or interesting. </div><div><br></div><div>I also think that saying that Newspeak is outside the Smalltalk "tent" is a legitimate position, even if I may disagree. I know may others in the Smalltalk community have felt that Newspeak, while different, is part of the family. After all, I and I my colleagues have been invited to speak about Newspeak at Smalltalk conferences several times. </div>
<div><br></div><div>I have no interest in starting a flame war here - I have watched the recent goings on on this list with a feeling of great sadness. I have done what I can to help Smalltalk, and individuals in that community (you know who you are) and will continue to do so. </div>
<div><br></div><div>However, after 2010 I did not participate in GSoc, since it was clear that my ideas did not coincide with those of the wider Smalltalk community.</div><div><br></div><div>I won't say any more on the topic. I wish you all the best, and I'm glad the GSoc effort continues.</div>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 9:14 AM, Igor Stasenko <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:siguctua@gmail.com" target="_blank">siguctua@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">On 10 February 2014 17:38, Janko Mivšek <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:janko.mivsek@eranova.si" target="_blank">janko.mivsek@eranova.si</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Time therefore to expose that sad story from GSoC 2010. So that the<br>
community can judge by themselves if my claims are insults or real.<br>
<br>
For the start, this was not a money matter but meddling into project<br>
selection process.<br>
<br>
Here is the story:<br>
<br>
On GSoC 2010 Gilad Bracha proposed a Newspeak/Smalltalk Import/Export<br>
Tool project idea [1]. After the idea was put on ideas list [2],<br>
Stéphane Ducasse ordered my co-admin to remove Gilad's idea from the<br>
list. Co-admin told that to me. I was shocked that someone can come to<br>
such an idea to remove something even in the idea phase from the GSoC.<br>
Of course I rejected such an order immediately.<br>
<br>
Even more, co-admin was at that time just starting the postgraduade<br>
study under the Mr.Ducasse mentorship. You can imagine how he felt, like<br>
between two fires. It is reasonable therefore to suspect that Mr.Duccase<br>
uses his power as a mentor over postgraduate student to try to achieve<br>
his goal.<br>
<br>
What was the motivation of Mr.Ducasse to made such a blatant act was not<br>
quite clear to me. And is also not important. Important is that such<br>
removal attempts are totally unacceptable. Only GSoC mentors have that<br>
right by reviewing and voting on the projects to be finally selected for<br>
stipendiums.<br>
<br>
In any case, this incident was a start of my thinking and working on<br>
GSoC to be as transparent, neutral and independent as possible.<br>
<br>
Best regards<br>
Janko<br>
<br>
[1] <a href="http://gsoc2010.esug.org/projects/newspeak-tool" target="_blank">http://gsoc2010.esug.org/projects/newspeak-tool</a><br>
[2] <a href="http://gsoc2010.esug.org/ideas" target="_blank">http://gsoc2010.esug.org/ideas</a><br>
<br>
<br></blockquote></div></div><div><br>Lol.<br>Now please think how much curses will be there if this would be allowed.<br><br>Else why just Newspeak? Why not Ruby, Self, C, C#, Lisp etc.. (i bet there are many mentors/students who would want to paid for doing project in the language of their choice).<br>
</div><div>Except that it is not smalltalk.. and has nothing to do with ESUG mission. And therefore Stef was absolutely correct.<br></div><div>Case closed.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br></font></span></div>
</div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>-- <br>Best regards,<br>Igor Stasenko.
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<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Cheers, Gilad
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