<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Guys,<br><br></div>From the outside it just looks like a couple of spoiled kids battling in the kindergarten.<br><br></div>All of this is not moving Smalltalk and Pharo any single bit forward. Backwards, there is a fair chance.<br>
<br></div><div>Now, could you take this discussion elsewhere? Pick up a phone and talk.<br></div><div><br>Who cares if anyone is right? Oh yeah, EUR 4K, what a huge amount to fight over for an European org... (rolleyes).<br>
</div><div><br></div><div></div>Phil<br><div><div><div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr"><br></div></div>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 8:29 AM, Luc Fabresse <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:luc.fabresse@gmail.com" target="_blank">luc.fabresse@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">Hi Janko,<div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div>I do not have all numbers at hand now but in 2013 there were 4 extra-GSOC but we paid only 3 because one student gave up (Jean-Baptiste Beuzelin). </div>
<div>So yes you are probably right that it remains money if we integrate last year BUT we were willing to spend it.</div><div><br></div><div>Luc</div><div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-02-09 Janko Mivšek <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:janko.mivsek@eranova.si" target="_blank">janko.mivsek@eranova.si</a>></span>:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">Dear all,<br>
<br>
First to Luc: from your numbers it is clear that you are not to be<br>
blamed on anything, because you were obviously misinformed and misguided.<br>
<br>
Facts namely are:<br>
<br>
1. GSoC mentors decided to pay extra stipendiums 3000 USD [1] while<br>
ESUG without approval paid 2000 more, 5000 USD, without any report<br>
back to GSoC mentors,<br>
<br>
2. GSoC mentors decided to add past GSoC2012 amount to the pool for<br>
paying extra projects [2][3].<br>
<br>
Calculation (without the Summit expenses) therefore is:<br>
<br>
Income: GSoC 2012 13x 500 = 6.500 USD<br>
GSoC 2013 13x 500 = 6.500 USD<br>
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13.000 USD<br>
<br>
Expenses:<br>
Extra stipendiums: 3x 3.000 = 9.000 USD<br>
<br>
Difference: + 4.000 USD<br>
<br>
If ESUG would follow the decisions of GSoC mentors it wouldn't loose any<br>
money but gain 4.000 USD.<br>
<br>
Those that misinformed and misguided you needs therefore to apologize to<br>
you Luc, to the GSoC mentors and to me as admin!<br>
<br>
Janko<br>
<br>
[1]<br>
<a href="https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/Yrlj8dIgGPg" target="_blank">https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/Yrlj8dIgGPg</a><br>
[2]<br>
<a href="https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/WwnxpkXzAB8" target="_blank">https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/WwnxpkXzAB8</a><br>
[3]<br>
<a href="https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/tR44jdPT5Hw" target="_blank">https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/tR44jdPT5Hw</a><br>
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Dne 09. 02. 2014 17:26, piše Luc Fabresse:<br>
<div><div>> Hi all,<br>
><br>
> ------------<br>
> FACTS<br>
><br>
> As you all know, I am the ESUG treasurer.<br>
> So please find the numbers attached for the ESUG support of GSOC<br>
> projects in 2013.<br>
><br>
> ESUG sponsored 3 "extra-GSOC" meaning extra slots not accepted by Google.<br>
> In the file it is: Alejandro Infante, Pablo Estefo and Benjamin Arezki.<br>
><br>
> All in all we paid:<br>
> - 3695EUR (~5000USD at that time i.e. same cost as a regular GSOC) each<br>
> projects<br>
> - Serge trip to Mentor summit<br>
><br>
> And we received 5552EUR from Google<br>
><br>
> so yes we lost ~6582EUR<br>
> That is easy 13*500 USD would only cover 1 plain extra-Gsoc and we<br>
> sponsorized 3.<br>
><br>
> I also think that it is important to send someone to the GSoc mentor<br>
> summit because it participates to the fact that Google recognizes ESUG<br>
> ang gives slots the next year.<br>
><br>
> It is alos important to note dates.<br>
> ESUG paid first and then has been refund by Google.<br>
> It would not be possible to do it without ESUG.<br>
><br>
> ------------<br>
> FROM HERE, MY POINT OF VIEW ON THIS STORY:<br>
><br>
> As some of you know, I doing the ESUG treasury stuff on my *own* time<br>
> and it takes a lot!<br>
> I am doing it because I strongly believe that Smalltalk (all falvors!)<br>
> is a really great language that should be more widespread.<br>
><br>
> I also completely open to discussions.<br>
> The ESUG board can also explain its actions and even money status.<br>
> I can do errors too.<br>
> So if Janko wants some details on GSOC related money, JUST ASK!<br>
><br>
> I cannot admit that:<br>
><br>
> - Janko wrote about some money accusation. This is directly directed<br>
> against the treasurer so me.<br>
> And honestly, just reading again that I am biased and that I hide or<br>
> steal money make me think that I should better quit.<br>
><br>
> - Janko asked for apologies! what is that? even if I would have done a<br>
> mistake (and ESUG did not loose money), YOU STILL MUST THANK ME for<br>
> DOING THIS BORING TASK! and then I can correct mistakes if any<br>
><br>
> - People wants an answer fast, this conversation started yesterday and I<br>
> am spending my week-end with my kids<br>
><br>
><br>
> I am really fed up with this kind of attitude.<br>
> Stop accuse, better ask, discuss and we will solve the problems together<br>
> if any.<br>
> But I think it will never happen...<br>
><br>
> #Luc<br>
> The disgusted Treasurer of ESUG who will finish his week-end in bad mood<br>
><br>
<br><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
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</font></span></div></div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><span><font color="#888888">--<br>
Janko Mivšek<br>
Smalltalk GSoC Admin Team<br>
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