<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Frank Shearar <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:frank.shearar@gmail.com" target="_blank">frank.shearar@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="">On 14 July 2014 22:36, Chris Muller <<a href="mailto:asqueaker@gmail.com">asqueaker@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Why not just cleanly list the name of the failing test and nothing else?<br>
> Tests are only understood and debugged in the running image, not from a<br>
> cryptic message reported on the build website.<br>
<br>
</div>I realise that _you_ don't use CI to debug tests. I do. I find value<br>
in these error messages, especially since I don't have a Linux<br>
machine, and as it happens, a test (see Tests-fbs.301) fails in<br>
Spur+Linux but passes in Spur+Windows.<br>
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> It certainly can't be fixed<br>
> and committed without running the test in the image anyway.<br>
<br>
</div>Yes, and so what?<br>
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> So why do we want to see that debugging noise in the build-server reports?<br>
<br>
</div>How is a decent error message noise? I find ENORMOUS value in these<br>
error messages. How could I possibly report a problem on a Linux box<br>
to Eliot otherwise?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>+1</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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> On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Frank Shearar <<a href="mailto:frank.shearar@gmail.com">frank.shearar@gmail.com</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> <a href="http://build.squeak.org/job/SqueakTrunkOnSpur/31/testReport/junit/KernelTests.Chronology/DateAndTimeTest/testReadFrom/" target="_blank">http://build.squeak.org/job/SqueakTrunkOnSpur/31/testReport/junit/KernelTests.Chronology/DateAndTimeTest/testReadFrom/</a><br>
>> shows a not-very-helpful test failure report: Expected<br>
>> '2002-05-1...etc... but was '2002-05-1...etc....<br>
>><br>
>> If <a href="http://build.squeak.org" target="_blank">build.squeak.org</a> is anything like my machine, that failure might<br>
>> more profitably be reported as:<br>
>><br>
>> Expected '2002-05-16T17:20:00+00:00' but was '2002-05-16T17:20:00+01:00'<br>
>><br>
>> from this assertion:<br>
>><br>
>> self assert: '2002-05-16T17:20:00+00:00' equals: ' 2002-05-16T17:20'<br>
>> asDateAndTime printString.<br>
>><br>
>> Is this expected (because of changes in datetime primitives)?<br>
>><br>
>> frank<br>
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</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>best,<div>Eliot</div>
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