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Hi,<br>
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we had an old Aida running on an old (pre cog, 3.x) Squeak image
which was decided to be changed. AidaWeb had changed so the then
current version wouldn't run the Squeak site. IIRC even Scribo (the
CMS) had errors with the new Aida. I pointed out some of these
errors but wasn't able to fix them within my time and knowledge.
Janko didn't fix them so the Squeak site left Aida. <br>
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Until then Janko did most of the coding work. Now we have the
situation that Chris does the coding work. Again mostly single
person. Can't say if it was easier to contribute to the old site
than it it is to contribute to the new site. But Squeak moved away
from Aida for reasons I can understand very well.<br>
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Personally I miss the richness of of information on the old site but
we couldn't keep it all up to date with the manpower we had. And I
feel that complaints are resolved faster now than they where
resolved then. Thanks Chris!<br>
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Cheers,<br>
<br>
Herbert<br>
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p.s.<br>
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I had the same issue (having to update my own code several times to
keep up with Aida) with my own projects. One day I stopped and they
all use an old (6.1)version of Aida. Which I consider a great web
framework with not enough backwards compatibility for my taste.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 14.08.2014 um 05:18 schrieb Chris
Cunnington:<br>
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<div>On Aug 13, 2014, at 10:26 PM, Chris Cunnington <<a
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<div>On Aug 13, 2014, at 10:11 PM, David T. Lewis <<a
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<div>On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 08:19:37PM -0500, Chris
Muller wrote:<br>
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10:20 AM, Chris Cunnington <<a
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href="mailto:brasspen@gmail.com">brasspen@gmail.com</a>><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">Jesus, that was an
unpleasant tour of my own mind.<br>
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LOL!!!<br>
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I am not amused. We used to have a good web presence
hosted on the excellent<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">That site was in need of updates
to<br>
its content and design.<br>
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We now have a site that is running on software that
seems to be poorly<br>
understood by most of us, including the one person in
the community who<br>
is willing and able to work on it.<br>
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Updating a single broken link requires tortuous mental
excursions? Really?!?<br>
And there is only one person who can do it?
Seriously?!?<br>
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href="http://squeaksource.com">squeaksource.com</a>
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You’re welcome. And thank you for saying thank you. </div>
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<div>You’re rant is heartfelt, but pretty much wrong on every
point. I don’t mind though, I think your rant is sort of
transitional. Sometimes people complain when things are getting
better. I had a history teacher, Mr. Godfrey, who made it clear
that people don’t cry for revolution when they’re downtrodden.
They do it when they have made a gain they don’t want to lose.
You didn’t talk like this in 2012. And that you are talking like
this is probably a good thing. You’re famous for being tactful.
I don’t think I’ve seen you cut loose like this, so that’s all
to the good. </div>
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<div>Aida was a well supported web framework? Nope. Software
always requires support. Ultimately there is no software only
people to tend things. Janko had become staggering difficult to
deal with. All efforts were made to accommodate him. No dice.
Poorly understood software? I think that’s called growth.
Altitude is cool. Xtreams is cool. It’s worth taking a few pains
to grow and evolve things. Stasis, I’d say, was what helped
contributed to some of the problems Squeak is working to recover
from. A single broken link equals torturous mental excursions?
Not really. I was in an off state of mind making problems for
myself. You only know that, because if I make a mistake, it’s my
policy to alert that community that something is amiss. I
consider that being professional. My personality is my
personality, but that is my policy. </div>
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<div>I’d like to point out also, that with regards to the
homepage, I’m changing the nature of silence. With the
“well-supported Aida web framework” silence, which everybody
could edit, but only one person could code changes into, it
meant slow bit rot and everybody could feel it. Silence meant
decay. Now things are different. I check the site every day.
It’s like a 747 where there are long periods of nothing
happening and then brief periods of turbulence, which I make you
explicitly aware of. Silence now means ‘All is well’. </div>
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<div>Only one person who can do it? Is that a problem? Only Janko
could code Aida. I recall passing out the code for <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://squeak.org">squeak.org</a>.
Tim’s looked it over. Do you like Xtreams? Yes? Well this is
part of the process of growing towards incorporating them. </div>
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<div>I cannot wait to hear what you’ve got to say about the
SqueakMap server I’m still working on. Feel free to freak out
about it, David. You’ll use it and be glad you did. And if I may
so, the UI is shaping up pretty well. I’m shearing all the
goggle-eyed-programmer-madness that usually infests user
interfaces built by excellent programmers. </div>
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<div>Keep your chin up. If you keep ranting, I’ll have to quote
Tampico’s most famous son at you and say: “There you go again!”.
(It worked on Jimmy.)</div>
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<div>Chris <br>
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