<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=iso-8859-1"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I download BabyIDE-1-2011.12.ZIP from <a href="http://folk.uio.no/trygver/themes/babyide/babyide-index.html" class="">http://folk.uio.no/trygver/themes/babyide/babyide-index.html</a> and appears to run without problems using the VM I compiled, I think we need more details about what is the problem.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">My machine is a MacBook with 10.10.3, I also tested in an old mac mini PowerPC with 10.5.8 using the same VM and also works OK.<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 9, 2015, at 11:49, David T. Lewis <<a href="mailto:lewis@mail.msen.com" class="">lewis@mail.msen.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">Hi Trygve,<br class=""><br class="">Did you see my earlier reply suggesting that you use the VM at<br class=""><a href="http://www.squeakvm.org/~lewis/MacOS-test-Javier/" class="">http://www.squeakvm.org/~lewis/MacOS-test-Javier/</a> ? I believe that I sent<br class="">it directly to your personal email address, but I don't know if you<br class="">received it.<br class=""><br class="">The newer Cog VMs used in Squeak all-in-one and Pharo will not work with a<br class="">Squeak 3.10 image, but any of the traditional context interpreter VMs<br class="">(including this recently built VM provided by Javier Diaz-Reinoso) should<br class="">be fine.<br class=""><br class="">A bit off topic from your orginal question, but I would also encourage you<br class="">to take a look at <a href="http://try.squeak.org/" class="">http://try.squeak.org/</a> as a source of inspiration. This<br class="">is Bert Freudenberg's remarkable SqueakJS running in a web browser, and it<br class="">might prove quite suitable for certain kinds of software demos where you<br class="">want a run-anywhere capability.<br class=""><br class="">You should be able to drag and drop your BabyIDE image onto that web page,<br class="">and run it directly in your your web browser with no need to install a VM<br class="">at all.<br class=""><br class="">HTH,<br class="">Dave<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Hi Chris,<br class="">I'm sorry to say that your advice didn't work. Worse: The Squeak<br class="">community has lost a valuable contributor, a prime mover in the patterns<br class="">and agile communities and the author of several books on OO. My friend<br class="">wrote:<br class="">" /I still can’t find a version of Squeak for my Mac that will run<br class="">Trygve’s current BabyIDE. At this point, even if one appears, it is<br class="">obvious that my dependence on “the introvert Squeak community” will<br class="">put<br class="">me in a much more fragile position than with any of my other concept<br class="">proofs. It will be extremely difficult to build a future on such fragile<br class="">foundations./"<br class=""><br class="">I came to Xerox PARC and Smalltalk in 1978 where I made my contributions<br class="">to Smalltalk-80. Since then, I have been working almost exclusively with<br class="">Smalltalk. My company invested in a VW class library of more than<br class="">100,000 lines of Smalltalk code and used it in our consulting. A strong<br class="">selling point was that our tenders were accompanied by a demo version of<br class="">the program we offered to deliver. Our library and applications were<br class="">repeatedly threatened by new versions of VW. The code is now dead; there<br class="">is no VM that will run our old images. The investment is lost.<br class=""><br class="">I hoped Squeak would be better. It isn't. Squeak is less stable than VW<br class="">ever was. My new programming paradigm, DCI, is supported by BabyIDE that<br class="">runs under Squeak 3.10. I have ported BabyIDE to 4.5, but there are new<br class="">bugs caused by differences between 3.10 and 4.5. The result is that I<br class="">have reverted to 3.10 because it's too much hassle to run after the<br class="">stream of Squeak releases. I thought Pharo would be better, but their<br class="">mailing list conversations indicate that they do not understand that<br class="">developers need a stable foundation for their work.<br class=""><br class="">The result is that I too leave Smalltalk and concentrate on other<br class="">environments. A pity, because I still believe Smalltalk has the<br class="">potential to become a superior environment for non-professional<br class="">programmers. I am particularly thinking of children and experts such as<br class="">computational chemists who use computers in their work.<br class=""><br class="">It's very painful, but I am now terminating development work in Squeak<br class="">leave the Squeak and Pharo mailing lists. I will continue my work in<br class="">some mainstream language. I have just done some work in Java with<br class="">Netbeans and I am buying a book on JavaScript. It's heavy going, but<br class="">better that working for the dustbin.<br class=""><br class="">Cheers<br class="">--Trygve<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">On 31.05.2015 16:52, Trygve Reenskaug wrote:<br class="">Hi,<br class="">A friend of mine is doing some experiments using a Mac and my program<br class="">Baby IDE. BabyIDE is works under Squeak 3.10.2. Is there a binary<br class="">virtual machine for a current Mac that he can use?<br class=""><br class="">On 31.05.2015 17:00, Chris Cunnington wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">You need a non-Cog vm. I usually download any Etoys vm. [1]<br class="">From there, drag it onto the vm or right click, choose “Open With”<br class="">and<br class="">choose Etoys.<br class=""><br class="">Chris<br class=""><br class="">[1] <a href="http://squeakland.org/download/" class="">http://squeakland.org/download/</a><br class=""></blockquote><br class=""><br class=""></blockquote><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></div></body></html>