<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 04 Dec 2015, at 17:41, Mariano Martinez Peck <<a href="mailto:marianopeck@gmail.com" class="">marianopeck@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">I think that either Max or Martin did the Spur needed changes for Fuel. </div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>Yes, Martin made those.</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">So likely it should be easy to make it work in latest Squeak. <br class=""></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>I agree. The changes for Spur were minimal. I simply haven’t had time yet for Squeak 5. </div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Robert Withers <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:robert.w.withers@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">robert.w.withers@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Now I think you are right on with your observation. Additionally, the number of dialects could increase further with Fuel serialization, just port SecureSession and bits.<br class="">
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Alright, I came up with a name and it may border on the egregious ... presenting ...<br class="">
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"Maelstrom"<br class="">
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A new distributed metric will be established in Maelstrom to measure intra- & inter-vat activity: "Sanguinity".<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888" class=""><br class="">
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PS. thanks for pointing out Fuel support for older squeaks.</blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>Well, we support 4.6, which was released at the same time as 5. So we’re nearly up to speed ;)</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Max</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br class="">
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On 12/04/2015 10:25 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote:<br class="">
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Another suggestion: if you intend to make something cross dialect and hope to get traction, I would not use a project name which contains one dialect, but something more general like Cryptography, or some cool project name, like Seaside, Fuel, ...<br class="">
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On 04 Dec 2015, at 15:43, Robert Withers <<a href="mailto:robert.w.withers@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">robert.w.withers@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class="">
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I use squeak 5.0 and would want the Fuel support to customize for wire serializations and substitutions, such that Squeak and Pharo could talk to each other, and all other Fuel environments. The Fuel changes I made are in the Pharo port of SqueakElib in the SqueakElib-CapTP-Serialization category and consist of a Decoder, Materializer and a Materialization.<br class="">
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On 12/04/2015 09:35 AM, Esteban Lorenzano wrote:<br class="">
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which squeak version?<br class="">
of what?<br class="">
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On 04 Dec 2015, at 12:15, Robert Withers <<a href="mailto:robert.w.withers@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">robert.w.withers@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class="">
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I just realized that the squeak version uses ReferenceStream while the Pharo version uses Fuel, so the binary serializations are different and they won't speak to each other. Any chance that Fuel is ported to Squeak?<br class="">
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On 12/04/2015 06:11 AM, Robert Withers wrote:<br class="">
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I am unable to import these files into SqueakSource, so it may be best done from inside Pharo with Monticello. Here are working Crypto and SqueakElib in Pharo, prior to SecureSession refactoring and Reed Solomon. I include the correct version of LayeredProtocol.<br class="">
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On 12/04/2015 05:47 AM, Robert Withers wrote:<br class="">
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On 12/04/2015 05:44 AM, Robert Withers wrote:<br class="">
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After my password reset on squeaksource, I committed to both Cryptography and SqueakElib, project links below.<br class="">
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In the case of Cryptography, I had a version ported to Pharo ... I will organize Pharo ports of both after Reed Solomon is stable, and announce them to the Pharo list. This way both environments can be supported through this one repository.<br class="">
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On 12/04/2015 04:35 AM, Stephan Eggermont wrote:<br class="">
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On 03-12-15 23:06, Robert Withers wrote:<br class="">
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Are any of these used by both squeak and Pharo? That would be the right<br class="">
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squeaksource, since that is where the old code resides.<br class="">
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All of them. Mostly timing of project start/high activity and who are<br class="">
maintaining it decided on platforms. There was a time when squeaksource was not so stable and then many projects migrated, and I currently hear least about stability issues from ss3, but the load on smalltalkhub is much higher, I assume, as that is used for the pharo ci.<br class="">
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In the not so far future Pharo is likely to move to a git based infrastructure, using libgit2. Early adopters are already using it.<br class="">
I haven't heard the squeak ideas about that.<br class="">
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