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<td>Re: [Pharo-users] [squeak-dev] Name change: Mushroom (
was Re: evolutions of squeakelib & crypto)</td>
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<td>Robert Withers <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:robert.w.withers@gmail.com"><robert.w.withers@gmail.com></a></td>
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<pre>The Ode to CryptoCeps:
Bouncer: "No, I'm sorry. This is a restricted area..." *checks around in
case there's a problem*
Me: " 'cep I got this..." *hands over teensie tiny tasty little mushoom*
Note to self: 'did I eat one of those???' *can't seem to recall the
particular moment. Oh@*
Community: *looking sideways at each other* "What the hell is a mushoom?"
Thank You! so much.
On 12/18/2015 10:27 PM, Robert Withers wrote:
> Ah ha!!! Thank you...how about CryptOCeps? ;)
>
> On 12/18/2015 10:22 PM, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> On the names side, I would advice some kind of unique combination,
>> for example "Jupyter notebook", works fine to find particularly the
>> project this community is trying to build. In my own case, I spend a
>> lot of time thinking in names and I discuss them with friends with a
>> drink or a meal. Despite of not having a strong web presence in the
>> sense of continuous updates in the web pages of my projects (my main
>> web page is still under construction!) they position relatively well
>> on google and DDG engines:
>>
>> [1] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=es&q=grafoscopio">https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=es&q=grafoscopio</a> (5th link)
>> [2] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=es&q=mutabit">https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=es&q=mutabit</a> (1st link)
>> [3] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://duckduckgo.com/?q=mutabit&t=ffsb">https://duckduckgo.com/?q=mutabit&t=ffsb</a> (1st link)
>> [4] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://duckduckgo.com/?q=grafoscopio&t=ffsb">https://duckduckgo.com/?q=grafoscopio&t=ffsb</a> (2nd link)
>>
>> It didn't happen overnight but was a fluid organic process. So may be
>> "Mushroom crypto" or "Risotto crypto" could be important descriptors
>> in the main web presence sites of your projects (BTW, I can't find
>> the repos and GitHub answers with 404).
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Offray
>>
>>
>> On 07/12/15 17:57, Robert Withers wrote:
>>> Ben, Huw, Todd and Sven, thank you all for your feedback! I suppose
>>> I could call the project "CryptOCaps" but for some reason I glommed
>>> onto mushroom as the name. Not grandiose and it is somewhat
>>> descriptive...a network of secure sessions, each one a mushroom.
>>> Ceps are highly valued. We can tag it for the catalog.
>>>
>>> For sure, we have Seaside, Morphic, Nebraska, Fuel, Alien, Cog,
>>> Monticello and that's just the squeak side of unusual naming of
>>> projects. I hope that "mushroom" gains a wide reputation as a solid,
>>> reliable, secure and performant session layer under the CryptOCaps
>>> presentation...I am thinking of splitting the secure session layer
>>> from the ocaps presentation layer, but this would require another
>>> name choice, so I hesitate...perhaps "Risotto"? What are your thoughts?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Robert
>>>
>>> On 12/07/2015 10:38 AM, Ben Coman wrote:
>>>> I like it, but it seems you missed my point :)
>>>> mushroom --> 117,000,000 is two orders of magnitude more hidden.
>>>> Anyway, maybe I overplay its significance.
>>>> cheers -ben
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 11:11 PM, Robert Withers
>>>> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:robert.w.withers@gmail.com"><robert.w.withers@gmail.com></a> wrote:
>>>>> I renamed the project to Mushroom and I also dumped the encoding
>>>>> work to
>>>>> focus on shutdown, optimization and serialization. Here's the wiki:
>>>>> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/SqueakCryptographySquad/Mushroom/wiki">https://github.com/SqueakCryptographySquad/Mushroom/wiki</a>
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks,Robert
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/06/2015 01:42 AM, Ben Coman wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Robert Withers
>>>>>> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:robert.w.withers@gmail.com"><robert.w.withers@gmail.com></a> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 12/05/2015 09:24 PM, Ben Coman wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 11:57 PM, Robert Withers
>>>>>>>> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:robert.w.withers@gmail.com"><robert.w.withers@gmail.com></a> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Now I think you are right on with your observation.
>>>>>>>>> Additionally, the
>>>>>>>>> number
>>>>>>>>> of dialects could increase further with Fuel serialization,
>>>>>>>>> just port
>>>>>>>>> SecureSession and bits.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Alright, I came up with a name and it may border on the
>>>>>>>>> egregious ...
>>>>>>>>> presenting ...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Maelstrom"
>>>>>>>> Great sounding name. However some general advice for the
>>>>>>>> community,
>>>>>>>> since I see a lot of great sounding project names drowned out
>>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>>> noise of our web-search-centric universe. A litmus test for
>>>>>>>> project
>>>>>>>> naming is using google search to find which return low search
>>>>>>>> results.
>>>>>>>> Today, its more important to be unique than any other attribute
>>>>>>>> of a
>>>>>>>> name. So in general, *dictionary* english words are not the best.
>>>>>>>> One technique is to intentionally mispell the word you like.
>>>>>>>> Here are
>>>>>>>> some comparative examples (note, the surrounding quotes are
>>>>>>>> required
>>>>>>>> to avoid google trying to be helpful and correct the spelling)...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "maelstrom" --> 7,480,000
>>>>>>>> "maelstroom" --> 6,200
>>>>>>>> "maelstrum" --> 2,280
>>>>>>>> "maelstruum" --> 7
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lots of interesting other techniques can be found by searching on:
>>>>>>>> techniques to generate brand names or domain names.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> cheers -ben
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would be happy to change the names to something more unique,
>>>>>>> though it
>>>>>>> may
>>>>>>> take a few. Are you suggesting "maelstruum"?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> cheers,
>>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Suggesting* yes, but the choice is yours ;) You need to own it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think maelstruum is certainly memorable with the double "u", but
>>>>>> maybe jarring next the the "m". I'm inclined to maelstroom, since I
>>>>>> associate it with "zoom". I wouldn't necessarily go for the
>>>>>> absolute
>>>>>> lowest results. I have an entirely unsubstantiated belief that
>>>>>> anything less than 10,000 gives a reasonable chance to compete
>>>>>> once a
>>>>>> user's browsing history is taken into account. Finally you need to
>>>>>> check existing results don't return something abhorrent (I didn't do
>>>>>> this).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd encourage to play around testing on google search. Its quick and
>>>>>> easy to generate and test alternatives. I've added a few more below.
>>>>>> "maelstra" --> 3,560
>>>>>> "maelstram" --> 504
>>>>>> "maelstrim" --> 1200
>>>>>> "maelstroon" --> 58
>>>>>> "maelstroomi" --> 4
>>>>>>
>>>>>> btw, I wouldn't swap the order of the "ae" since that would be
>>>>>> susceptible to real typing errors.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> cheers -ben
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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