<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 2:36 AM, tim Rowledge <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tim@rowledge.org" target="_blank">tim@rowledge.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">At the latest board meeting we got to discussing the relative quietness of the squeak list(s) recently. We were wondering what you folks out there are doing with Squeak, what you'd like to be able to use it for, the things that you think would be important to improve it for wider use and so on. <br>
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Please, whether you're a frequent user or an occasional look-at-the-list type, take a moment to let us know your opinions.</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
What do you use Squeak for?<br></blockquote><div>

<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">Hi,</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">I have been using Squeak on and off since around year 2000.</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">I use Squeak as a personal development and recreational computing platform.</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">Mostly I think of stuff I find interesting and start to hack together project in either Etoys or</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">in Morphic. Along the way in those projects I find and fix bugs and get totally sidetracked from </div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">my original intention. But it's all good fun and I enjoy it immensely when I track down issues and get them fixed </div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><br>Once I learned the basic of Squeak development I found most other development environments lacking </div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">and arcane. The bad thing is that I have never really hooked Squeak up to the outside of the image to interact </div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">with other languages. I don't really know how to even start doing that.</div>

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If you don't use Squeak, why not?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>There are many rough edges in the tools in Squeak. Like in the drawing tools and the sound tools.</div><div>I think it's mostly because the scope of all the tools are so huge and that there are only a few developers and </div><div>users, Not enough people to fix all issues. </div><div>Specialized tools have a huge advantage that are impossible for a general platform like Squeak to keep up with.</div><div>But to at all be able to do mostly what I want in Squeak is satisfying and I can dig into the source and read what </div><div>the developers did to make stuff work quite easily.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
If you used Squeak in the past and don't now, what pulled you away?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I use Squeak for recreation and not for business. When I have time and feel the need to scratch an itch I come back to </div><div>Squeak. </div><div>  </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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What does Squeak lack that you think might make you use it for 'regular' development?</blockquote><div>There are so many thing that are easy and convenient to do once I am in the Squeak tools so I have never </div><div>gone into using stuff from other languages through stuff like FFI. </div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> </blockquote><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
What things are too hard or annoying to do?</blockquote><div>Dependencies on obscure preferences, cruft and user habits make</div><div>changes cumbersome for many of the parts of Squeak. </div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
What would you like to be able to use Squeak for?<br></blockquote><div>All personal computing and tinkering projects I do.</div><div>And it already does most of that. </div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div>Karl</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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tim<br>
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tim Rowledge; <a href="mailto:tim@rowledge.org">tim@rowledge.org</a>; <a href="http://www.rowledge.org/tim" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.rowledge.org/tim</a><br>
C for sinking, java for drinking, Smalltalk for thinking<br>
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