<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">I think the AIO causes more problems than it’s worth. Does it work in Windows better than it does in Mac OS and Linux? I hope so, because it only works for rank beginners on the latter platforms. <br><br><div id="AppleMailSignature"><span style="font-size: 13pt;">/————————————————————/</span><div><span style="font-size: 13pt;">Encrypted email at <a href="mailto:jgpfersich@protonmail.com">jgpfersich@protonmail.com</a></span><div><span style="font-size: 13pt;">Web: <a href="http://www.objectnets.net">www.objectnets.net</a> and <a href="http://www.objectnets.org">www.objectnets.org</a></span></div></div></div><div><br>On May 30, 2018, at 07:59, Tobias Pape <<a href="mailto:Das.Linux@gmx.de">Das.Linux@gmx.de</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>HI</span><br><span></span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>On 30.05.2018, at 15:30, H. Hirzel <<a href="mailto:hannes.hirzel@gmail.com">hannes.hirzel@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Chris Muller</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 3:14 AM</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>AIO provides a compact example file of everything needed to deploy an application on each of the top platforms. For no more than its instructional value, it is something worth keeping, IMO.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>The AIO _is_ the application. Good to run off a pen drive as well in a</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>platform independent way.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>It does not need to be built regularily.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Just for the release is fine.</span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>But the AIO is impractical.</span><br><span>Eg, for OSX we _must_ force users now to _move_ the .app bundle before starting it the first time, else things just do not work. The only viable Way I see for that is building read-only disk images, so that people must move the app.</span><br><span></span><br><span>However, nobody else can use DMGs, so we have two things already:</span><br><span> - ZIP</span><br><span> - DMG</span><br><span></span><br><span>And now that snaps (<a href="https://snapcraft.io/">https://snapcraft.io/</a>) enter the stage for linux, we have at least to _consider_ that, too.</span><br><span></span><br><span>And when signing comes into play, this is getting too complex for me.</span><br><span></span><br><span>I completely the understand the desirability of a portable app, but given we;re not a near-stateless browser and given our "workforce", I don't see this happen reliably in the forthcoming time.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Best regards</span><br><span> -Tobias</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>On 5/30/18, David T. Lewis <<a href="mailto:lewis@mail.msen.com">lewis@mail.msen.com</a>> wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 07:22:28AM +0200, Tobias Pape wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>On 30.05.2018, at 01:40, Edgar De Cleene <<a href="mailto:edgardec2005@gmail.com">edgardec2005@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>On 29 May 2018, at 15:42, karl ramberg <<a href="mailto:karlramberg@gmail.com">karlramberg@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Making it easier to find and download new VM builds should be a</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>priority.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>It's quite hard to find a recent VM following links from <a href="http://squeak.org">squeak.org</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>This scared beginners</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>All in one should have the most stable and recent</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Let's face it: the All-in-ones are dead.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Apple makes it harder than ever and for linux we should have start</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>building platform packages long ago.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>This topic deserves a new subject line, and it would be great to get some</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>more input regarding who prefers using the All-In-One distribution for</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>regular use, versus other approaches for organizing their image and VM.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>My personal view is that the All-In-One is a valuable enhancement to</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>the basic image and VM downloads. I do not think that it is practical</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>to maintain it as the primary release artifact, but I do think that we</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>should provide it, as best we can, in addition to the primary image and</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>VM release downloads.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Dave</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span></span><br></div></blockquote></body></html>