<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Hi Hannes,<div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 12:06 PM H. Hirzel <<a href="mailto:hannes.hirzel@gmail.com">hannes.hirzel@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I understand that the proposal is to generate the build instructions<br>
("build instruction assistant") based on the particular VM running the<br>
image on a particular OS.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I was thinking of something simpler. If one opens the About Squeak dialog, then in the VM General tab one would see something like</div><div><br></div><div><div>Virtual Machine</div><div>---------------</div><div>/Users/eliot/oscogvm/build.macos64x64/squeak.cog.spur/Squeak.app/Contents/MacOS/Squeak</div><div>Croquet Closure Cog[Spur] VM [CoInterpreterPrimitives VMMaker.oscog-eem.2461] 5.0.201810311748</div><div>Mac OS X built on Oct 31 2018 10:50:28 PDT Compiler: 4.2.1 Compatible Apple LLVM 7.0.0 (clang-700.1.76)</div><div>platform sources revision VM: 201810311748 eliot@Aeolus.attlocal.net:oscogvm Date: Wed Oct 31 10:48:56 2018 CommitHash: 6fee3a7 Plugins: 201810311748 eliot@Aeolus.attlocal.net:oscogvm</div><div>CoInterpreter VMMaker.oscog-eem.2461 uuid: b3cd33f5-6309-43a1-b669-7a1805111f34 Oct 18 2018</div><div>StackToRegisterMappingCogit VMMaker.oscog-eem.2464 uuid: 0b1fa0a3-a781-4fd5-b1cf-1809796ccbbf Oct 18 2018</div></div><div><br></div><div>To Build A Similar Virtual Machine</div><div>---------------------------------------------</div><div>Visit <a href="https://github.com/OpenSmalltalk/opensmalltalk-vm">https://github.com/OpenSmalltalk/opensmalltalk-vm</a>; obey the Clone or download instructions, then read the HowToBuild file in the top-level build directory for your platform(s), e.g. build.macos64x64/HowToBuild.</div><div><br></div><div>Hannes, including anything more than this means duplicating information and increasing maintenance load. As it is, this will have to be changed when we reorganize the opensmalltalk-vm. So to keep things manageable IMO we should include the build information in opensmalltalk-vm and just include pointers to that site form the image. Since there are other VMs in use it would be good to have pointers to build information for all of them.</div><div><br></div><div>Tim, re a Swiki page, I think that's also more maintenance effort. The Swiki VM documentation is woefully out-of-date and disorganized. I';d prefer to see it replaced by pointers to properly self-documented and up-to-date repositories. </div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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I.e. if I am on a Linux 32 bit system I get the build instructions for<br>
my particular system.<br>
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I do not need to read through difficult to understand wiki pages and<br>
maybe deal description inaccuracies and maybe even have and copy/paste<br>
errors.<br>
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+1 for this proposal<br>
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It might be a loadable package though through SqueakMap. But then<br>
referenced and introduced in the help system.<br>
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--Hannes<br>
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On 10/31/18, tim Rowledge <<a href="mailto:tim@rowledge.org" target="_blank">tim@rowledge.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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>> On 2018-10-31, at 11:47 AM, Eliot Miranda <<a href="mailto:eliot.miranda@gmail.com" target="_blank">eliot.miranda@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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>> Hi All,<br>
>><br>
>> someone just asked for build instructions for the VM. It strikes me<br>
>> that it would be useful to include this in the VM General tab of the About<br>
>> Squeak tool. But we'd have to parse the VM to find out if it was an<br>
>> opensalltalk VM, PyPy VM, Graal VM, SqueakJS VM, Interpreter VM etc. Are<br>
>> the other VM builders interested in adding info for their VMs? If we go<br>
>> this route we could also put a pointer to the About Squeak tool in the<br>
>> Help tool.<br>
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> Perhaps simpler would be a brief paragraph and a pointer to a swiki page<br>
> where the reader can learn about the variety of possible VMs and further<br>
> pages for each one? Less to put in the image, easier to update out of band<br>
> etc etc.<br>
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> tim<br>
> --<br>
> tim Rowledge; <a href="mailto:tim@rowledge.org" target="_blank">tim@rowledge.org</a>; <a href="http://www.rowledge.org/tim" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.rowledge.org/tim</a><br>
> Resistance is useless! (If << 1 ohm)<br>
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</blockquote></div><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><span style="font-size:small;border-collapse:separate"><div>_,,,^..^,,,_<br></div><div>best, Eliot</div></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>