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<p>Thank you, restarting the image helped. I was not aware of that.</p>
<p>I just told Marcel that I would find it helpful to put your snippet into a postload script before we release 5.3 ...</p>
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<b>Gesendet:</b> Mittwoch, 11. Dezember 2019 10:27:37<br>
<b>An:</b> The general-purpose Squeak developers list<br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [squeak-dev] Incorrect keyboard mapping with Ctrl key in latest Smalltalk VM release (Windows 1903 64bit, squeak.cog.spur)</font>
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<div>Hi Christoph,</div>
<div>you might have to restart the image, or just evaluate:</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le mer. 11 déc. 2019 à 10:11, Thiede, Christoph <<a href="mailto:Christoph.Thiede@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de">Christoph.Thiede@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de</a>> a écrit :<br>
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<p>German umlauts (äöü) don't work for me either, despite I just installed all Trunk updates.</p>
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im Auftrag von Thiede, Christoph<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Mittwoch, 11. Dezember 2019 09:22:26<br>
<b>An:</b> John Pfersich via Squeak-dev<br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [squeak-dev] Incorrect keyboard mapping with Ctrl key in latest Smalltalk VM release (Windows 1903 64bit, squeak.cog.spur)</font>
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<p>Hi Marcel!</p>
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<p>My preferences match your screenshot exactly, the problem resists.</p>
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<p>Concerning Alt F4 quit, I have to retract my statement. If I use the setting from your ini file, I get the right dialog.</p>
<p>However, why is this setting not included into <span>the VM release? Who wants to see this unsqueaky, OS-dependent window instead of a beautiful, explorable DialogWindow? :D</span></p>
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<p><span>Best,</span></p>
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im Auftrag von Taeumel, Marcel<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Mittwoch, 11. Dezember 2019 08:46:36<br>
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<div>could you double check both .ini and preferences? [Ctrl] and [Alt] kind of work here on Windows 10 with a German keyboard layout as follows:</div>
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<div>Seems to be that only [alt], which is likely [cmd], is working. Without key duplication, [ctrl] does strange things. Even on my machine. Yes, those mappings in the image side are a mess.</div>
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> The image side is totally messy, <br>
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You're not wrong. I had a bit of fun with this stuff making the Raspberry Pi Scratch system handle linux non-ascii type keyboard input. An interesting problem there was that enabling the linux extension completely broke something else (that I can't remember
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I suspect this is what happens to almost every complex project. I mean, look at how all the OS's get messed up and stall for years. They're all terrible right now.<br>
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<div>See can at least comment it and corral the old messy code in ifdef's such as</div>
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<div>so that we don't have to think too hard about what we delete the next time we have a major release that breaks image backward compatibility. I personally don't mind the old cruft being there. What I hate is not knowing what the cruft is. The code, especially
the C VM code, must be properly documented so that it doesn't require intimate knowledge with older versions, the history, but twiddling hacks, etc, etc.</div>
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