<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div>Hi Elliot, <br class=""><div><br class=""><div><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 15px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="">Forgive me for encouraging you to proselytize on e.g. Quora. Do you have a blog? I'd love to read your impressions and criticisms.</div><div class=""> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><br class=""></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""></div><div>I am flattered, really:) </div><div><br class=""></div><div>At the moment I am putting some effort in the Video medium. I think it is extremely important to get people to try Squeak, they must see it in action. It is very very difficult to explain in textual form what it can do and why it is different. It is difficult for the reader to get the idea. (it was very difficult for me, and I am very much trained in learning by the book)</div><div><br class=""></div><div>When I produce something new I publish it in Linkedin. </div><div><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/nicola-mingotti-2612a940" class="">https://www.linkedin.com/in/nicola-mingotti-2612a940</a></div><div><br class=""></div><div>I usually copy the link also in Reddit "smalltalk" channel.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>I try to keep updated also the Swiki. </div><div><br class=""></div><div>If you have other suggestion of where to publish/link things or share points of view let me know. I will try to be there as well. </div><div><br class=""></div><div>bye</div><div>Nicola</div><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""></div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 15px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Opinion of total beginners (so, partially also mine) should be weighted less, because they do not know what is coming. Like opinion of students, let them choose democratically and Calculus would be deleted from any curriculum. :P<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class="">bye<br class="">nicola<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">> On Dec 23, 2019, at 1:59 AM, David T. Lewis <<a href="mailto:lewis@mail.msen.com" target="_blank" class="">lewis@mail.msen.com</a>> wrote:<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">> I am sure that both of those preferences will remain.<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">> I also agree with your view of colorful windows, and I always turn<br class="">> this preference on in my image(s). But I recall that this was discussed<br class="">> for the 5.2 release, and we had feedback from new users who did<br class="">> not like the window coloring. For that reason, we should probably<br class="">> keep the preference turned off in the release image.<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">> But I am not a "new user" any more, so if there are any fresh opinions<br class="">> on the subject of colorful windows, please speak up :-)<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">> Dave<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">> On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 12:29:03AM +0100, Nicola Mingotti wrote:<br class="">>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">>> I am totally 'pro' on reducing the number of preferences.<br class="">>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">>> But I ask you this:<br class="">>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">>> [1] Do not remove the preference to keep different windows in different colors. That is one of the most useful decision you can make IMHO. Why would you color the Browser, Workspace and Debugger in the same way?<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">>> I understand that all grey may seems more a "professional/industrial" interface, but I guess we can leave that aim to Pharo and go on on our way.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">>> [2] "do not remove the possibility of having larger fonts".<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">>> With high High-DPI Squeak would be unusable out of the Box.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">>> bye<br class="">>> Nicola<br class="">>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">>>> On Dec 20, 2019, at 11:18 PM, David T. Lewis <<a href="mailto:lewis@mail.msen.com" target="_blank" class="">lewis@mail.msen.com</a>> wrote:<br class="">>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">>>> A preference elimination initiative would be *very* welcome, but<br class="">>>> it is something that we should start working on immediately after<br class="">>>> the 5.3 release.<br class="">>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">>>> Preferences are like other bad habits: easy to get into, and<br class="">>>> hard to eliminate. So let's all make a New Year's resolution to<br class="">>>> lose weight, exercise more, eat healthier food, and get rid of<br class="">>>> unnecessary preferences in Squeak.<br class="">>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">>>> For the current release, I think that we should limit discussion<br class="">>>> to specific default preference settings that we might want to<br class="">>>> change for the upcoming release.<br class="">>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">>>> Dave<br class="">>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">>>> On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 12:57:15PM -0800, tim Rowledge wrote:<br class="">>>>> We have a *lot* of preferences - in my view way too many - and there should be at least some discussion about the default values we provide for 5.3<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">>>>> tl;dr - Too many preferences, too badly organised. reduce, make decisions, simplify.<br class="">>>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">>>>> I can't imagine I'll hit all of them here but let's try to get something done -<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">>>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">>>>> Arithmetic<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">>>>> Should we have these as preferences? How many people understand enough about Burnikel-Ziegler recursion splits to make it sensible to easily change?<br class="">>>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">>>>> Compiler<br class="">>>>> I claim we are long past the point where enabling block argument assignments or underscore assignment should be a default. Fix your damn code!<br class="">>>>> Are we sticking with the EncoderForV3PlusClosures encoder?<br class="">>>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">>>>> Examples<br class="">>>>> These are for the test suite and if possible should be hidden<br class="">>>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">>>>> Files<br class="">>>>> The one entry here relates to the encoding of stdio streams so maybe this category should be renamed?<br class="">>>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">>>>> Graphics<br class="">>>>> Both entries relate to sub-pixel font rendering, so again, rename?<br class="">>>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">>>>> Morphic<br class="">>>>> So. Many. Preferences.<br class="">>>>> Surely at least the text edit related ones ought to be removed and kept to the 'editing' section?<br class="">>>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">>>>> OLPC<br class="">>>>> Really?<br class="">>>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">>>>> TextDiff<br class="">>>>> Could be better placed; in Tools?<br class="">>>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">>>>> Tools<br class="">>>>> 'Use unified message labels' What does this do? Is it worth allowing a choice for this sort of thing?<br class="">>>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">>>>> browsing<br class="">>>>> Aargh! More options than 31 flavour ice-cream stores! How many are actually of value?<br class="">>>>> 'ignore style if only bold'?<br class="">>>>> 'menu button in tool pane' - no actual senders, for example<br class="">>>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">>>>> colors<br class="">>>>> 'Use the new color picker' - is the new color pick not our pick for picking colors? If it still isn't the sensible choice more than 10 years later, maybe we should dump it completely.<br class="">>>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">>>>> fileout<br class="">>>>> are there ever good reasons to not have 24 hr timestamps? For not checking for slips?<br class="">>>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">>>>> general<br class="">>>>> Wow, still more flavours of ice-cream.<br class="">>>>> 'Read only mode' - no senders. It's so old there is no timestamp.<br class="">>>>> 'Use locale' is there any reason to ever not use it?<br class="">>>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">>>>> .... and my brain melted at this point.<br class="">>>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">>>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">>>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">>>>> tim<br class="">>>>> --<br class="">>>>> tim Rowledge;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:tim@rowledge.org" target="_blank" class="">tim@rowledge.org</a>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.rowledge.org/tim" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">http://www.rowledge.org/tim</a><br class="">>>>> Useful random insult:- Couldn't pour water out of a boot with instructions on the heel.<br class="">>>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">>>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">>>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""></blockquote></div><br clear="all" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div>--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><span style="font-size: small; border-collapse: separate;" class=""><div class="">_,,,^..^,,,_<br class=""></div><div class="">best, Eliot</div></span></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></body></html>