<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">Hi All,<div><br></div><div> some people really like auto enclose and dine people hate it. Similarly some people like update menu selection on mouse click and others hate it. We are unlikely to find a compromise, or be able to vote and find a substantial majority one way or the other. It is also true that not having the preference the way one wants us extremely irritating for each side. The experience is of a system that is fighting you at every turn and is hugely frustrating.</div><div><br></div><div>So this group of preferences is the kind of thing that should be offered to the user as a configuration choice at setup. Marcel abd the Potsdam folks did a brilliant job writing the initial preference configuration and it’s a pleasure to use. I suggest, and ask for effort in implementing, that in this release one of the configuration options is a group preference for editing & selection which offers either the “old crusty“ choices of no automatic anything in editing and mouse selection (please Santa, I want an “I am an old crusty tee shirt for Xmas), and the young skywalker use-the-force alternatives. We still need to make an exhaustive list beyond auto enclose and update menu selection, but please can we offer this as a choice to users and emphatically not choose a default one way or the other? We should have sufficient respect for each other’s muscle memory to realise this is one example where a default simply isn’t god enough.<br><br><div dir="ltr"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">_,,,^..^,,,_ (phone)</span></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Dec 24, 2019, at 6:31 AM, karl ramberg <karlramberg@gmail.com> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="auto">autoEnclose is one of the first preference in turn of in a new image. Please leave it off in new release.</div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Best,</div><div dir="auto">Karl</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 24 Dec 2019 at 15:02, K K Subbu <<a href="mailto:kksubbu.ml@gmail.com">kksubbu.ml@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On 24/12/19 9:11 AM, Chris Muller wrote:<br>
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> What "problems" are those? Just as you see in the subject-line of this <br>
> email, for every open-parenthesis, there's a closing, as well as for <br>
> every open bracket, a closing. That's the structure of these characters <br>
> in every normal context. "Problems" arise when they get out of balance, <br>
> which is why other editors have this feature too. IIRC, eclipse was <br>
> doing it in 2005.<br>
One of the problems I face frequently is because autoEnclose inserts a ) <br>
when I type ( but does not remove it when I backspace over (. For <br>
instance, I type (teh, realize my typo and backspace over it including <br>
the ( but I am left with a dangling ). I prefer typing cmd-( when I need <br>
matching ().<br>
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Regards .. Subbu<br>
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