<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"><html><head><meta content="text/html;charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"></head><body ><div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><div><br></div>Hi Christoph<br><br>Thanks for the reply.<br><br>The "embeddings" is the "interesting idea" I was looking for. I was sort of hoping Squeak already had something like that. (:<br><br><br>What I am doing is teaching myself Latin. See. Write. Hear. Say. via a Seaside App.<br><br>The imported objects will take care of the "See" part.<br>I can probably get them to import , or link to how they sound via Wiktionary.<br><br>I would like objects I imported to organize themselves in different ways. Alphabetic order is the obvious one and the one the wikipedia pages use.<br><br>I think having these things "cluster about meaning/concept" and "cluster about sound" would be a useful <i>pedagogical approach.<br><br></i><br>For example spherical things: Ball, Sun, Planet, potato, <br>Colors: <br>animals<br>Big things<br>Small things..<br><br><br><br>When I import the medical roots: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_medical_roots,_suffixes_and_prefixes" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_medical_roots,_suffixes_and_prefixes</a><br>and say you are studying the skeletal system in anatomy, stuff clustered around bones.<br><br><br>Thanks for your reply.<br><br><div data-zbluepencil-ignore="true" style="" class="zmail_extra"><br><div id="Zm-_Id_-Sgn1">---- On Fri, 03 Apr 2020 15:41:57 -0400 <b>Thiede, Christoph <<a target="_blank" href="mailto:Christoph.Thiede@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de">Christoph.Thiede@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de</a>></b> wrote ----<br></div><br><blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 6px; margin: 0px 0px 0px 5px;"><div class=" zm_5046032677492630269_parse_-2067169762494714374"><div dir="ltr" style="font-size: 12.0pt;color: rgb(0,0,0);font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><p>So if I understand you correctly, your question is not actually related to Squeak/Smalltalk at all but rather to the general problem of comparing English vocables by semantic? Off-topic, but still an interesting topic :)<br></p><p><br></p><p>I can only give you a few rough keywords, maybe one of them can help you, and maybe you were already ten steps ahead of me :-)<br></p><p><br></p><p>If you only care about similarity by letters, the simplest solution might be something like calculating the Longest Common Prefix of two strings and comparing the result with a threshold. (That term is googlable :)) However, this won't help you with pairs
such as "<span><span>acentric - acrocentric</span>" unless you use some kind of fuzzy matching.</span><br></p><p><span><br></span></p><p>If you actually care about the semantic similarity, one approach could be a gigantic dictionary of synonyms. I'm sure there are any relevant databases on the web.<br></p><p>The problem with synonyms is that they can compare words only dually. But are "<span>centrifugal" and "centripetal" actually synonyms? It <span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", NotoColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", EmojiSymbols"><span class="size" style="font-size:16px"> totally </span></span>depends on the perspective. Maybe you won't be happy with this approach.</span><br></p><p>A more sophisticated approach is word embeddings. The rough idea is to map each vocable to a large vector in which each component quantifies how related the vocable is to a specific topic. There's a lot of research around this field ...<br></p><p><br></p><p>PS: What are you trying to do with these results, eventually? :-)<br></p><p><br></p><p>Best,<br></p><p>Christoph<br></p><div><div style="font-size: 12.0pt;color: rgb(0,0,0);font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", NotoColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", EmojiSymbols;" dir="ltr"><div style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;margin: 0;"><div><span class="size" style="font-size:13px"><span class="colour" style="color:#808080"></span></span><br></div></div></div></div></div><hr style="display: inline-block;width: 98.0%;"><div dir="ltr"><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="colour" style="color:#000000"><b>Von:</b> Squeak-dev <<a target="_blank" href="mailto:squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org">squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org</a>> im Auftrag von gettimothy via Squeak-dev <<a target="_blank" href="mailto:squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org">squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org</a>><br> <b>Gesendet:</b> Freitag, 3. April 2020 21:00:57<br> <b>An:</b> squeak-dev<br> <b>Betreff:</b> [squeak-dev] Ask objects to group themselves by similar meanings of words....</span></span> <div> <br></div></div><div><div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 10.0pt;"><div>Hi folks<br></div><div><br></div><div>I have extracted the various Greek and Latin Roots from <a target="_blank" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Greek_and_Latin_roots_in_English/A%E2%80%93G">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Greek_and_Latin_roots_in_English/A–G</a> to Squeak
objects.<br></div><div>The objects correlate to one row in the various tables at the link.<br></div><div><br></div><div>For example, I have one object for:<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote style="border: 1.0px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding: 7.0px;background-color: rgb(245,245,245);"><div><div><tr><br></div><div><td><b>abac-</b><sup id="cite_ref-2" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-2">[2]</a></sup></td><br></div><div><td>slab</td><br></div><div><td>Greek</td><br></div><div><td><span lang="grc"><a href="<a target="_blank" href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E1%BC%84%CE%B2%CE%B1%CE%BE#Ancient_Greek">https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E1%BC%84%CE%B2%CE%B1%CE%BE#Ancient_Greek</a>" class="extiw" title="wikt:ἄβαξ">ἄβαξ, ἄβακος</a></span>
(<span title="Ancient Greek transliteration" lang="grc-Latn"><i>ábax, ábakos</i></span>), <span lang="grc"><a href="<a target="_blank" href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E1%BC%80%CE%B2%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%AF%CF%83%CE%BA%CE%BF%CF%82#Ancient_Greek">https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E1%BC%80%CE%B2%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%AF%CF%83%CE%BA%CE%BF%CF%82#Ancient_Greek</a>"
class="extiw" title="wikt:ἀβακίσκος">ἀβακίσκος</a></span> (<span title="Ancient Greek transliteration" lang="grc-Latn"><i>abakískos</i></span>)</td><br></div><div><td>abaciscus, <a href="/wiki/Abacus" title="Abacus">abacus</a>, <a href="/wiki/Abax" class="mw-redirect" title="Abax">abax</a><br></div><div></td></tr><br></div><div><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>the cells are put into accessors..corresponding to the headers of the table:<br></div><div><br></div><div>Root, Meaning, Origin, Etymology, English examples.<br></div><div><br></div><div>MyObject<br></div><div> root -> abac<br></div><div> meaning -> slab<br></div><div> language -> greek<br></div><div> etymology -> blah<br></div><div> examples -> more-blah<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Focusing on "english examples" I am interested in <br></div><div><br></div><blockquote style="border: 1.0px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding: 7.0px;background-color: rgb(245,245,245);"><div>LatinRoots select:[:each | each english_examples "have same or similar meanings"]<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>If anybody has pointers to projects that have grappled with that problem I would appreciate a link.<br></div><div><br></div><div>answers like "Your question is completely nonsensical" are ok, too (:<br></div><div><br></div><div>thanks for your time.<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br></div></div></blockquote></div><style style="display: none;"><br></style><div><br></div></div><br></body></html>