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<p>Sounds like an interesting project! A few years ago, I had a lot of fun with a sort of similar project, setting up an object model for the Latin grammar.
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It was really pleasant, and Latin is such a delightfully logical language! </span>Unfortunately, I did not yet know Squeak/Smalltalk when I was working at this project ...</p>
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<p>I wish you much joy and success with your project. Carpe Squicum! :-)</p>
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<p>Best,</p>
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<b>Gesendet:</b> Freitag, 3. April 2020 22:08:19<br>
<b>An:</b> Thiede, Christoph<br>
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Hi Christoph<br>
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Thanks for the reply.<br>
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The "embeddings" is the "interesting idea" I was looking for. I was sort of hoping Squeak already had something like that. (:<br>
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What I am doing is teaching myself Latin. See. Write. Hear. Say. via a Seaside App.<br>
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The imported objects will take care of the "See" part.<br>
I can probably get them to import , or link to how they sound via Wiktionary.<br>
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I would like objects I imported to organize themselves in different ways. Alphabetic order is the obvious one and the one the wikipedia pages use.<br>
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I think having these things "cluster about meaning/concept" and "cluster about sound" would be a useful
<i>pedagogical approach.<br>
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For example spherical things: Ball, Sun, Planet, potato, <br>
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animals<br>
Big things<br>
Small things..<br>
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When I import the medical roots: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_medical_roots,_suffixes_and_prefixes" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_medical_roots,_suffixes_and_prefixes</a><br>
and say you are studying the skeletal system in anatomy, stuff clustered around bones.<br>
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Thanks for your reply.<br>
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<p>So if I understand you correctly, your question is not actually related to Squeak/Smalltalk at all but rather to the general problem of comparing English vocables by semantic? Off-topic, but still an interesting topic :)<br>
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<p>I can only give you a few rough keywords, maybe one of them can help you, and maybe you were already ten steps ahead of me :-)<br>
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<p>If you only care about similarity by letters, the simplest solution might be something like calculating the Longest Common Prefix of two strings and comparing the result with a threshold. (That term is googlable :)) However, this won't help you with pairs
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<p>If you actually care about the semantic similarity, one approach could be a gigantic dictionary of synonyms. I'm sure there are any relevant databases on the web.<br>
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<p>The problem with synonyms is that they can compare words only dually. But are "<span>centrifugal" and "centripetal" actually synonyms? It
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<p>A more sophisticated approach is word embeddings. The rough idea is to map each vocable to a large vector in which each component quantifies how related the vocable is to a specific topic. There's a lot of research around this field ...<br>
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<p>PS: What are you trying to do with these results, eventually? :-)<br>
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<b>Gesendet:</b> Freitag, 3. April 2020 21:00:57<br>
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<div>I have extracted the various Greek and Latin Roots from <a target="_blank" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Greek_and_Latin_roots_in_English/A%E2%80%93G">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Greek_and_Latin_roots_in_English/A–G</a> to Squeak
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<div>The objects correlate to one row in the various tables at the link.<br>
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<div>For example, I have one object for:<br>
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<div><td><b>abac-</b><sup id="cite_ref-2" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-2">[2]</a></sup></td><br>
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<div><td><span lang="grc"><a href="<a target="_blank" href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E1%BC%84%CE%B2%CE%B1%CE%BE#Ancient_Greek">https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E1%BC%84%CE%B2%CE%B1%CE%BE#Ancient_Greek</a>" class="extiw" title="wikt:ἄβαξ">ἄβαξ, ἄβακος</a></span>
(<span title="Ancient Greek transliteration" lang="grc-Latn"><i>ábax, ábakos</i></span>), <span lang="grc"><a href="<a target="_blank" href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E1%BC%80%CE%B2%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%AF%CF%83%CE%BA%CE%BF%CF%82#Ancient_Greek">https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E1%BC%80%CE%B2%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%AF%CF%83%CE%BA%CE%BF%CF%82#Ancient_Greek</a>"
class="extiw" title="wikt:ἀβακίσκος">ἀβακίσκος</a></span> (<span title="Ancient Greek transliteration" lang="grc-Latn"><i>abakískos</i></span>)</td><br>
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<div><td>abaciscus, <a href="/wiki/Abacus" title="Abacus">abacus</a>, <a href="/wiki/Abax" class="mw-redirect" title="Abax">abax</a><br>
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<div>the cells are put into accessors..corresponding to the headers of the table:<br>
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<div> root -> abac<br>
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<div> meaning -> slab<br>
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<div> language -> greek<br>
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<div> etymology -> blah<br>
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<div> examples -> more-blah<br>
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<div>Focusing on "english examples" I am interested in <br>
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<div>If anybody has pointers to projects that have grappled with that problem I would appreciate a link.<br>
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<div>answers like "Your question is completely nonsensical" are ok, too (:<br>
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<div>thanks for your time.<br>
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