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Hi Eliot.<div><br></div><div>Please find attached a change set. Like this? Here are some examples:</div><div><br></div><div><div>array := #(1 2 3).</div><div><br></div><div>ModificationForbidden</div><div><span style="white-space:pre"> </span>for: array</div><div><span style="white-space:pre"> </span>send: #showln:</div><div><span style="white-space:pre"> </span>to: Transcript.</div><div><br></div><div>ModificationForbidden</div><div><span style="white-space:pre"> </span>for: array</div><div><span style="white-space:pre"> </span>send: (MessageSend receiver: Transcript selector: #showln:).</div><div><br></div><div>"Try out."</div><div>array at: 1 put: #foo.</div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div>Marcel</div><div class="mb_sig"></div>
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<p style="color: #AAAAAA; margin-top: 10px;">Am 23.04.2020 01:50:42 schrieb Eliot Miranda <eliot.miranda@gmail.com>:</p><div style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">
<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Hi All,</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 10:59 AM tim Rowledge <<a href="mailto:tim@rowledge.org">tim@rowledge.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width: 1px;border-left-style: solid;border-left-color: rgb(204,204,204);padding-left: 1ex;min-width: 500px"><br>
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> On 2020-04-22, at 3:20 AM, Marcel Taeumel <<a href="mailto:marcel.taeumel@hpi.de" target="_blank">marcel.taeumel@hpi.de</a>> wrote:<br>
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> So, we make ModificationForbidden a (resumable) Error for now? Is this the conclusion? <br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yes, I hope so :-)</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width: 1px;border-left-style: solid;border-left-color: rgb(204,204,204);padding-left: 1ex;min-width: 500px">
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It's a super-low-level error that ought to be handled really really closely to where the error was raised. As Eliot mentioned, the VM can't know the circumstances and just raises it; the the closest possible handler should be in place that *does* know the circumstances. That way Chris gets to spot that is it a database issue and handle things properly, including likely raising a new error for higher level code.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>As I've already mentioned what one can do, and the VisualWorks version does do, for GemStone-style persistence, as add behavior to the exception so one can specify a per-object response.</div><div><br></div><div>So if the exception is unhandled, then before it raises an UnhandledError it checks an identity dictionary, which maps object to message, and if the read-only object that was the cause of the error is in the dictionary, instead the exception performs the message with the object as an argument. So a database layer can add the objects it is managing to the map in ModificationForbidden, and mark them as read-only. Then any and all attempts at modifying these objects will cause the database man ager to be notified.</div><div><br></div><div>So very simply we can have a pluggable solution that allows different clients to map the exception into different responses as desired.<br>So can we please stop wasting time discussing this and get on with implementing it? The GemStone folks have understood how to manage ModificationForbidden for years and the use of it has been in production. We simply need to catch up. We're nearly there.</div><div><br></div><div>Please don't make me explain this idea once again ;-)</div><div><br>></div><div>><br>> Given having a handler really close to the source, perhaps we are better off keeping it non-resumable and using one of the other approaches to continuing like #retryUsing: (ExceptionTester>>#simpleRetryUsingTest is the only example in the clean image) ? </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width: 1px;border-left-style: solid;border-left-color: rgb(204,204,204);padding-left: 1ex;min-width: 500px">
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