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Is there a server somewhere where I can deploy a Squeak object and
make it available on the Net through its interface?<br>
If so, is there some documentation I can read?<br>
Best<br>
--Trygve<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2020-08-15 09:56, Trygve Reenskaug
wrote:<br>
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Just an idea while a car is waiting to take me on a vacation.<br>
<br>
Imagine:<br>
<ol>
<li>You have a computer with many independently running images.</li>
<li>A super fast facility pass messages between the images,</li>
<li>Selected services in the release image are move out and
deployed as server objects in another image.</li>
<li>Every image appears as a server offering RESTful interfaces
to other images.</li>
<li>Selected packages in any repository can be downloaded,
compiled, instantiated, and deployed in an image as server
objects.</li>
<li>The different images can even run in different computers and
use different VMs.<br>
</li>
<li>There are now two dimensions to the reuse of functionality:
a) download and compile a package. b In some image, install a
package and deploy it as a server object.</li>
<li>And presto: The original image is now small and manageable
while the whole system can grow without increasing the
complexity of the release image.</li>
</ol>
In haste. This is just an idea. It's full of holes and need a lot
of work done to it before it can be usable.. It's a disruptive
idea, so please give it some consideration This is before you
shoot it down<br>
--Trygve<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2020-08-14 22:54, karl ramberg
wrote:<br>
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<div>Well said, Vanessa :-)</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The complexity comes from people using Squeak and wanting
to improve it in many directions.</div>
<div>And managing code , graphics , user interface , faster
virtual machine, networking, security etc. are hard problems
which add complexity. <br>
</div>
<div>And also the added accidental complexity on top of that.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>It seems systems only are simple and elegant until people
start using them.</div>
<div>One can see that as a good or bad thing.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Solution to the complexity problem will probably take a
few generations to solve...<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best,</div>
<div>Karl<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 9:42
PM Vanessa Freudenberg <<a
href="mailto:vanessa@codefrau.net" moz-do-not-send="true">vanessa@codefrau.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 2:31 AM Marcel
Taeumel <<a href="mailto:marcel.taeumel@hpi.de"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">marcel.taeumel@hpi.de</a>>
wrote:<br>
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style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0)"> Hi Trygve,
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<div>I apologize for any misunderstandings here. <span
style="font-size:10pt">I am not an English
native speaker. It was not my intent do accuse
you of lying.</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:10pt"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:10pt">However, there is
a difference between a bug report and an
unsubstantiated rant. I did read your entire
post "A Sad Day" as the latter. Whose mistake
that was, I cannot tell now. Neutral, objective
bug reports would read different, I suppose.</span></div>
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<div>It was neither a bug report nor an unsubstantiated
rant. It was a criticism of the complexity of all
current Smalltalks. The few examples of unexpected
complexity in Squeak that Trygve chose to mention are
not the actual issue. No need to feel personally
attacked.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Having worked with a beautifully tiny system like
Smalltalk-78, or even early versions of Squeak, the
complexity in modern Squeak is staggering. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Smalltalk used to be a system that can be fully
understood by a single person - truly a personal
computing system. That is no longer the case.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>All the functionality we added over the years comes
at the price of complexity (not to mention speed). It
makes the system hard to understand. It makes it hard
to see the design principles. We have not found a way
to eliminate, or at least hide, any of the complexity
we introduced.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I don't think there is a "solution" for this within
the current system. We have accepted the complexity,
and now we have to live with it. And we have to accept
that that alienates people who are looking for
simplicity and elegance.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I am sad to see Trygve leave, but I do understand.
He didn't even owe us an explanation. Thank you,
Trygve!</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>All the best,</div>
<div>Vanessa</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New
Roman";mso-ansi-language:
EN-US" lang="EN-US">The essence of object orientation is
that objects <span class="GramE">collaborate<span
style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>to</span> achieve a
goal. </span></i><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times
New Roman";
mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US"><br>
<span class="SpellE">Trygve</span> <span class="SpellE">Reenskaug</span> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times
New Roman""><a href="mailto:%20trygver@ifi.uio.no"><span
style="mso-ansi-language:
EN-US" lang="EN-US">mailto: trygver@ifi.uio.no</span></a></span><span
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New Roman";mso-ansi-language:
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<span class="SpellE">Morgedalsvn</span>.
5A </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman""><a
href="http://folk.uio.no/trygver/"><span
style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">http://folk.uio.no/trygver/</span></a></span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times
New Roman";
mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US"><br>
N-0378
Oslo </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times
New Roman""><a href="http://fullOO.info"><span
style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">http://fullOO.info</span></a></span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times
New Roman";
mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US"><br>
Norway Tel:
(+47) 468 58 625 </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;mso-ansi-language:
EN-US" lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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