<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 2:52 PM Chris Muller <<a href="mailto:asqueaker@gmail.com">asqueaker@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 5:42 AM Thiede, Christoph <<a href="mailto:Christoph.Thiede@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de" target="_blank">Christoph.Thiede@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de</a>> wrote:<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>There are so many small and big projects on GitHub that are not yet listed on <a href="http://squeak.org" target="_blank">squeak.org</a>:</p>
<p><a href="https://github.com/search?l=Smalltalk&p=1&q=squeak&type=Repositories" id="gmail-m_1270229550849844518gmail-m_7583687371119052596LPlnk163281" target="_blank">https://github.com/search?l=Smalltalk&p=1&q=squeak&type=Repositories</a><br>
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<p>Just for example Squot, smalltalkCI, Autocompletion, ...</p></div></div></div></blockquote><div>The projects to "showcase" on the Projects page should be ones that are meaningful _beyond_ Squeak. Things people outside of Squeak might care about, and not IDE tools.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">Amen. +1,000,000. This is the point.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">I had a long conversation with a good friend and SMalltalker the other day who made the point that the success of Python, et al, is crucially because they can get things done, not because they are an end in themselves. We as a community know the beauty of Smalltalk and can be happy and fulfilled in working on the system itself. But we will never grow the community until we can solve real-world problems, until people in the outside world come knocking with problems they need solving. It is the ability to solve real-world problems that has relevance to someone visiting from outside of the community. We have to stop being so hermetic if we want to grow and prosper. Articulating that we *can* fix real world problems (as well as all the coll things we can do inside) is the point of the Applications tab.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">And there's nothing threatening about this. Smalltalk is one of the *most powerful* solvers of real-world problems, as evinced by the application of VisualWorks in areas such as all mobile phone chip construction, scheduling 60% of world container traffic, etfc, etc, etc.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">So can we please emphasise our problem-solving abilities to those outside the community with an Applications tab?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div id="gmail-m_1270229550849844518gmail-m_7583687371119052596divtagdefaultwrapper" style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif" dir="ltr"><div id="gmail-m_1270229550849844518gmail-m_7583687371119052596divtagdefaultwrapper" dir="ltr" style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif,EmojiFont,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji",NotoColorEmoji,"Segoe UI Symbol","Android Emoji",EmojiSymbols"><p>And also I would like to list several smaller tools and frameworks somewhere that, despite their small size, might be very interesting for your personal Squeak workflow: Autocompletion, MessageSendRecorder, WindowAcrobatics, and so many others (just telling
some names from my individual filter bubble).</p></div></div></div></blockquote><div>-1. The Projects page is for outside readers' interest -- e.g. "reasons to get into Squeak". Small tools like these would bog it down, IMO.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div> Chris</div></div></div>
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