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    <p>Thank you for reaching out in this manner on these issues. Though
      be ye not concerned for my health, Ron, I am in a good place. The
      sobbing really helps a LOT! And I was brought to that tonight
      after screaming! And discussing a couple of my many suicide
      attempts. And realizing the effect my not finding a home with
      Squeak had affected me over 20 years. It hurts! I sob. All is
      well; God is Good. The Truth heals. All praise to the Most High!</p>
    <p>Kindly,<br/>
      Rob<br/>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/2/20 2:16 AM, Ron Teitelbaum
      wrote:<br/>
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        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Rob,</div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br/>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">You have been
          in this place before.  Is there someone you can talk to for
          help?  Do you have a connection to someone that is working
          with you on your issues?  Would you consider calling them now?</div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br/>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">I've seen you
          here before.  I've seen you doing much better.  You should be
          good to yourself and get help now to move into calmer water
          and get on a more even keel.  A better future includes
          protecting yourself, being nice to yourself, and making sure
          you get help when you need it.</div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br/>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Don't wait
          until later.  I really recommend you do it now.</div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br/>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Ron</div>
      </div>
      <br/>
      <div class="gmail_quote">
        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Oct 2, 2020 at 1:50 AM
          Robert Withers <<a href="mailto:robert.withers@pm.me" moz-do-not-send="true">robert.withers@pm.me</a>> wrote:<br/>
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            <h2><small>"And would not encourage the feeding of the
                indigent!"</small></h2>
            <div>On 10/2/20 12:21 AM, Robert Withers wrote:<br/>
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            <blockquote type="cite"> The Hellfire and its occupants, not
              my problem. I pay no attention. Burn.<br/>
              <p>I "Will be in a life of bliss, In a Garden on high. The
                Fruits whereof"...</p>
              <hr width="100%" size="2"/>
              <h1 align="center"><small>Al Haqqah (69)</small></h1>
              <blockquote>
                <blockquote>
                  <h2 align="center"><small>[The Sure Reality!</small></h2>
                  <h2 align="center"><small>What is the Sure Reality?</small></h2>
                  <h2 align="center"><small>And what will make thee
                      realise what the Sure Reality is?</small></h2>
                  <h2 align="center"><small>The Thamud and the 'Ad
                      People (branded) as false the Stunning Calamity!</small></h2>
                  <h2 align="center"><small>But the Thamud,- they were
                      destroyed by a terrible Storm of thunder and
                      lightning!</small></h2>
                  <h2 align="center"><small>And the 'Ad, they were
                      destroyed by a furious Wind, exceedingly violent;</small></h2>
                  <h2 align="center"><small>He made it rage against them
                      seven nights and eight days in succession: so that
                      thou couldst see the (whole) people lying
                      prostrate in its (path), as they had been roots of
                      hollow palm-trees tumbled down!</small></h2>
                  <h2 align="center"><small>Then seest thou any of them
                      left surviving?</small></h2>
                  <h2 align="center"><small>And Pharaoh, and those
                      before him, and the Cities Overthrown, committed
                      habitual Sin.</small></h2>
                  <h2 align="center"><small>And disobeyed (each) the
                      messenger of their Lord; so He punished them with
                      an abundant Penalty.</small></h2>
                  <h2 align="center"><small>We, when the water (of
                      Noah's Flood) overflowed beyond its limits,
                      carried you (mankind), in the floating (Ark),</small></h2>
                  <h2 align="center"><small>That We might make it a
                      Message unto you, and that ears (that should hear
                      the tale and) retain its memory should bear its
                      (lessons) in remembrance.</small></h2>
                  <h2 align="center"><small>Then, when one blast is
                      sounded on the Trumpet,</small></h2>
                  <h2 align="center"><small>And the earth is moved, and
                      its mountains, and they are crushed to powder at
                      one stroke,-</small></h2>
                  <h2 align="center"><small>On that Day shall the
                      (Great) Event come to pass.</small></h2>
                  <h2 align="center"><small>And the sky will be rent
                      asunder, for it will that Day be flimsy,</small></h2>
                  <h2 align="center"><small>And the angels will be on
                      its sides, and eight will, that Day, bear the
                      Throne of thy Lord above them.</small></h2>
                  <h2 align="center"><small>That Day shall ye be brought
                      to Judgment: not an act of yours that ye hide will
                      be hidden.</small></h2>
                  <h2 align="center"><small>Then he that will be given
                      his Record in his right hand will say: "Ah here!
                      Read ye my Record!</small></h2>
                  <h2 align="center"><small>"I did really understand
                      that my Account would (One Day) reach me!"</small></h2>
                  <h2 align="center"><small>And he will be in a life of
                      Bliss,</small></h2>
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                        <h2><small>In a Garden on high,</small></h2>
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                        <h2><small>The Fruits whereof (will hang in
                            bunches) low and near.</small></h2>
                      </div>
                    </div>
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                    <h2><small>"Eat ye and drink ye, with full
                        satisfaction; because of the (good) that ye sent
                        before you, in the days that are gone!"</small></h2>
                    <h2><small>And he that will be given his Record in
                        his left hand, will say: "Ah! Would that my
                        Record had not been given to me!</small></h2>
                    <h2><small>"And that I had never realised how my
                        account (stood)!</small></h2>
                    <h2><small>"Ah! Would that (Death) had made an end
                        of me!</small></h2>
                    <h2><small>"Of no profit to me has been my wealth!</small></h2>
                    <h2><small>"My power has perished from me!"...</small></h2>
                    <h2><small>(The stern command will say): "Seize ye
                        him, and bind ye him,</small></h2>
                    <h2><small>"And burn ye him in the Blazing Fire.</small></h2>
                    <h2><small>"Further, make him march in a chain,
                        whereof the length is seventy cubits!</small></h2>
                    <h2><small>"This was he that would not believe in
                        Allah Most High.</small></h2>
                    <h2><small>"And would not encourage the feeding of
                        the indigent!</small></h2>
                    <h2><small>"So no friend hath he here this Day.</small></h2>
                    <h2><small>"Nor hath he any food except the
                        corruption from the washing of wounds,</small></h2>
                    <h2><small>"Which none do eat but those in sin."</small></h2>
                    <h2><small>So I do call to witness what ye see,</small></h2>
                    <h2><small>And what ye see not,</small></h2>
                    <h2><small>That this is verily the word of an
                        honoured messenger;</small></h2>
                    <h2><small>It is not the word of a poet: little it
                        is ye believe!</small></h2>
                    <h2><small>Nor is it the word of a soothsayer:
                        little admonition it is ye receive.</small></h2>
                    <h2><small>(This is) a Message sent down from the
                        Lord of the Worlds.</small></h2>
                    <h2><small>And if the messenger were to invent any
                        sayings in Our name,</small></h2>
                    <h2><small>We should certainly seize him by his
                        right hand,</small></h2>
                    <h2><small>And We should certainly then cut off the
                        artery of his heart:</small></h2>
                    <h2><small>Nor could any of you withhold him (from
                        Our wrath).</small></h2>
                    <h2><small>But verily this is a Message for the
                        Allah-fearing.</small></h2>
                    <h2><small>And We certainly know that there are
                        amongst you those that reject (it).</small></h2>
                    <h2><small>But truly (Revelation) is a cause of
                        sorrow for the Unbelievers.</small></h2>
                    <h2><small>But verily it is Truth of assured
                        certainty.</small></h2>
                    <h2><small>So glorify the name of thy Lord Most
                        High.</small></h2>
                    <h2><small>] - Quran 69:1-52<br/>
                      </small></h2>
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                </blockquote>
              </blockquote>
              <p>---<br/>
              </p>
              <p>Slosher<br/>
                Oriental, NC<br/>
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                  <br/>
                  <div>On 10/1/20 11:36 PM, Ron Teitelbaum wrote:<br/>
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                    <div dir="ltr">
                      <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Hi
                        Rob,</div>
                      <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br/>
                      </div>
                      <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">I'm
                        so sorry you felt that way.  I know you have had
                        major issues, you have said the same yourself. 
                        I'm always happy to see you come back even after
                        long absences.  You are a brilliant coder and it
                        has been my distinct pleasure to work with you
                        on Cryptography!  Thank you for all you have
                        done and indeed you are responsible for adding
                        significant value to Squeak and the community.  </div>
                      <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br/>
                      </div>
                      <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">We
                        all work on code and it's easy to work your ass
                        off on something to make it work and forget
                        where it originated.  We all contribute in large
                        and small ways to everything.  If you started
                        VMMaker thank you!  It is definitely something a
                        lot of us use.  I remember learning all about it
                        a long long time ago before I realized that
                        while I could understand it and I could use it,
                        the people that work on the VM are a level
                        higher than me.  I just make apps!</div>
                      <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br/>
                      </div>
                      <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">I
                        remember getting in an argument with Andreas
                        about adding methods to collection.  "WE
                        DON"T NEED more methods in Collection we need to
                        remove most of them and make it easier!" I
                        argued with him about the value over and over
                        but he insisted that they just didn't add enough
                        value.  I could have been put off.  I could have
                        assumed that Andreas didn't like me but I would
                        have been very wrong!  I was really honored to
                        get the chance to work with him and we became
                        great friends.  Of course I added my methods to
                        the code we were working on together and was so
                        thrilled when he used my methods for his own
                        code.</div>
                      <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br/>
                      </div>
                      <div class="gmail_default">I don't know what
                        happened with VMMaker but again thank you for
                        your participation in it.. I wanted to take a
                        minute to thank you for your work and to let you
                        know it is my honor to work with you too!  I
                        hope that you can come to terms with your past
                        and that you get the help you need for your
                        CPTSD.  </div>
                      <div class="gmail_default"><br/>
                      </div>
                      <div class="gmail_default">Everything is possible,
                        the past is gone, but the future is still yours
                        to shape.  I wish the past was set in stone but
                        even that moves and slips.  I was talking to my
                        wife about a party we attended: "Remember in
                        2000 we were at the party and counted down the
                        new year and someone hit the breaker and killed
                        the lights!  We were all talking about what
                        would happen in the year 2000, would everything
                        break!"  Great story except that I hadn't met my
                        wife yet!  The past is only what we remember but
                        the future is something we have control over. 
                        Peace, calm, happyness, they are all hard to
                        come by but they are possible.  I wish you
                        success in finding what makes your future
                        better.</div>
                      <div class="gmail_default"><br/>
                      </div>
                      <div class="gmail_default">I'm sorry about the bad
                        things that have happened to you in the past. 
                        As far as I'm concerned, you are welcomed
                        here!  </div>
                      <div class="gmail_default"><br/>
                      </div>
                      <div class="gmail_default">All the best,</div>
                      <div class="gmail_default"><br/>
                      </div>
                      <div class="gmail_default">Ron Teitelbaum </div>
                      <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br/>
                      </div>
                      <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br/>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                    <br/>
                    <div class="gmail_quote">
                      <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Oct 1,
                        2020 at 10:38 PM Robert Withers via Squeak-dev
                        <<a href="mailto:squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org</a>>
                        wrote:<br/>
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                          <p>:sob::sob::sob:<br/>
                          </p>
                          <div>On 10/1/20 10:34 PM, Robert Withers
                            wrote:<br/>
                          </div>
                          <blockquote type="cite">
                            <p>I wrote to the #general Squeak Slack
                              channel:</p>
                            <blockquote>
                              <p><span style="color:rgb(29,28,29);font-family:Slack-Lato,appleLogo,sans-serif;font-size:15px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:common-ligatures;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">What
                                  a complete larcenous bastard. 20 years
                                  ago, this month, published it as his
                                  own work. And been against me ever
                                  since. My CPTSD (100% veteran
                                  service-connected) comes with an
                                  exquisitely sensitive deception meter.
                                  There are those who shunned me and
                                  ostracized me and made me feel MOST
                                  UNWELCOME. For  20 years. My delusions
                                  kick in and I start suspecting back
                                  channel communications against me. My
                                  love for Squeak conflicted with what I
                                  knew was happening. but I hung in
                                  there and worked on Cryptography, work
                                  with a group of great people and that
                                  I am satisfied with its added value to
                                  Squeak. For 20 years I KNEW people
                                  were against me in the community. I
                                  cannot describe how negatively this
                                  affected me. My third suicide attempt,
                                  in 2007 I jumped off the roof of a 6
                                  story apartment building and broke my
                                  back along with many bones. God did
                                  not want me to die, yet, so I lived.
                                  This deception and ostracism is most
                                  well highlighted by the taking credit
                                  for my work, without attribution. He
                                  is a complete tool. SHAME!</span></p>
                              <p><span style="color:rgb(29,28,29);font-family:Slack-Lato,appleLogo,sans-serif;font-size:15px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:common-ligatures;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><span style="color:rgb(29,28,29);font-family:Slack-Lato,appleLogo,sans-serif;font-size:15px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:common-ligatures;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">I
                                    do not know the degree to which he
                                    spoke against me. I<span> </span></span><b style="box-sizing:inherit;color:rgb(29,28,29);font-family:Slack-Lato,appleLogo,sans-serif;font-size:15px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:common-ligatures;font-variant-caps:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">imagine</b><span style="color:rgb(29,28,29);font-family:Slack-Lato,appleLogo,sans-serif;font-size:15px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:common-ligatures;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><span> </span>it
                                    was ever since 2000. Delusions! What
                                    is real? I knew not. So much
                                    torment! AGONY! They do not welcome
                                    me! They are trying to chase me off!
                                    Good grief, Charlie Brown.</span></span></p>
                              <p><span style="color:rgb(29,28,29);font-family:Slack-Lato,appleLogo,sans-serif;font-size:15px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:common-ligatures;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">Severely
                                  exacerbated my CPTSD! I kept trying to
                                  kill myself because of it! I thought I
                                  had done something egregiously wrong.
                                  Whatever it was it had to be my fault.
                                  I was not feeling the love, even from
                                  myself.</span></p>
                              <p><span style="color:rgb(29,28,29);font-family:Slack-Lato,appleLogo,sans-serif;font-size:15px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:common-ligatures;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">:scream:<br/>
                                </span></p>
                              <p><span style="color:rgb(29,28,29);font-family:Slack-Lato,appleLogo,sans-serif;font-size:15px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:common-ligatures;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">:scream:</span></p>
                              <p><br/>
                                <span style="color:rgb(29,28,29);font-family:Slack-Lato,appleLogo,sans-serif;font-size:15px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:common-ligatures;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><span style="color:rgb(29,28,29);font-family:Slack-Lato,appleLogo,sans-serif;font-size:15px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:common-ligatures;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">In
                                    2017, 900 units of insulin brought
                                    my blood glucose below 40. I almost
                                    succeeded that time.</span></span></p>
                              <p><span style="color:rgb(29,28,29);font-family:Slack-Lato,appleLogo,sans-serif;font-size:15px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:common-ligatures;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><span style="color:rgb(29,28,29);font-family:Slack-Lato,appleLogo,sans-serif;font-size:15px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:common-ligatures;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">:scream:<br/>
                                  </span></span></p>
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                            <p>rww<br/>
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                            <div>On 10/1/20 8:55 PM, Robert Withers
                              wrote:<br/>
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                              <pre>The worst sort of person is one who takes the credit for the work of
another. Wouldn't you agree?

You may wish to hear John's judgement on the matter. He was right there
when it was first built.

If you are not humble you will be humiliated, and brought low.

rww

On 10/1/20 8:35 PM, tim Rowledge wrote:
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                                  <pre>On 2020-10-01, at 4:57 PM, Robert Withers via Squeak-dev <a href="mailto:squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org></a> wrote:

I am curious. Who was the original author of the VMMaker Tool?
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                                <pre>That would be me; back in exobox days. Written along with the original VMMaker and intended to be an example of clean, tidy, morphic usage. I've no idea if anyone ever uses it now, since running it via scripting has proven more valuable.


tim
--
tim Rowledge; <a href="mailto:tim@rowledge.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">tim@rowledge.org</a>; <a href="http://www.rowledge.org/tim" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.rowledge.org/tim</a>
"Wibble" said Pooh the stress beginning to show.



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                              K, r<br/>
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                  K, r<br/>
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                K, r<br/>
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              K, r<br/>
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