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    <p>Do you recall my interviewing with Andreas? I did <i><b>NOT NOT
          NOT NADA ZILCH NOTHING TO SEE HERE</b></i> <i><b>ZERO TIME
          FOR YOU</b></i> get that job, for whatever reason...</p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/1/20 11:46 PM, Robert Withers
      wrote:<br/>
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      <p>Hi Ron,</p>
      <p>Thank you so much for the kind words and the extension of your
        hand towards myself. In no fashion has it been all bad. I really
        need to tell you, right now, that I did not do any work on
        VMMaker. Was there extensions to same from the VMMakerTool?
        Perhaps, I do not recall. I only built the Tool, not the Maker.
        Good grief, I agree, that's a whole other level! <br/>
      </p>
      <p>I feel the same about the opportunities I had with you. I am
        still dorking with ASN1, currently broken, trying to add a
        "Class" Application Class tag. Missing an explicit context in on
        of the directions. Memory and Trauma are definitely linked.
        That's where the flashbacks come from. Do you recall my
        interviewing with Andreas? I did <i><b>NOT NOT NOT NADA ZILCH
            NOTHING TO SEE HERE</b></i> get that job, for whatever
        reason...</p>
      <p>I think I may be done. PromisesLocal is broken. ParrotTalk is
        broken. ASN1 is broken. SSL is broken. PromisesRemote is broken.
        Sigh. Fuck it. Someone else will have to pick it up. 20 years of
        work! I am hitting deep blue ocean, on my way to Morocco, by way
        of the Azores! With my shiny Zeus 3! Ciao, bella!<br/>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/1/20 11:36 PM, Ron Teitelbaum
        wrote:<br/>
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          <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Hi Rob,</div>
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          <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">I'm so
            sorry you felt that way.  I know you have had major issues,
            you have said the same yourself.  I'm always happy to see
            you come back even after long absences.  You are a
            brilliant coder and it has been my distinct pleasure to work
            with you on Cryptography!  Thank you for all you have done
            and indeed you are responsible for adding significant value
            to Squeak and the community.  </div>
          <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br/>
          </div>
          <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">We all work
            on code and it's easy to work your ass off on something to
            make it work and forget where it originated.  We all
            contribute in large and small ways to everything.  If you
            started VMMaker thank you!  It is definitely something a lot
            of us use.  I remember learning all about it a long long
            time ago before I realized that while I could understand it
            and I could use it, the people that work on the VM are a
            level higher than me.  I just make apps!</div>
          <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br/>
          </div>
          <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">I remember
            getting in an argument with Andreas about adding methods to
            collection.  "WE DON"T NEED more methods in Collection we
            need to remove most of them and make it easier!" I argued
            with him about the value over and over but he insisted that
            they just didn't add enough value.  I could have been put
            off.  I could have assumed that Andreas didn't like me but I
            would have been very wrong!  I was really honored to get the
            chance to work with him and we became great friends.  Of
            course I added my methods to the code we were working on
            together and was so thrilled when he used my methods for his
            own code.</div>
          <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br/>
          </div>
          <div class="gmail_default" style="">I don't know what happened
            with VMMaker but again thank you for your participation
            in it.. I wanted to take a minute to thank you for your work
            and to let you know it is my honor to work with you too!  I
            hope that you can come to terms with your past and that you
            get the help you need for your CPTSD.  </div>
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          </div>
          <div class="gmail_default" style="">Everything is possible,
            the past is gone, but the future is still yours to shape.  I
            wish the past was set in stone but even that moves and
            slips.  I was talking to my wife about a party we attended:
            "Remember in 2000 we were at the party and counted down the
            new year and someone hit the breaker and killed the lights! 
            We were all talking about what would happen in the year
            2000, would everything break!"  Great story except that I
            hadn't met my wife yet!  The past is only what we remember
            but the future is something we have control over.  Peace,
            calm, happyness, they are all hard to come by but they are
            possible.  I wish you success in finding what makes your
            future better.</div>
          <div class="gmail_default" style=""><br/>
          </div>
          <div class="gmail_default" style="">I'm sorry about the bad
            things that have happened to you in the past.  As far as I'm
            concerned, you are welcomed here!  </div>
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          </div>
          <div class="gmail_default" style="">All the best,</div>
          <div class="gmail_default" style=""><br/>
          </div>
          <div class="gmail_default" style="">Ron Teitelbaum </div>
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          <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 10:38
            PM Robert Withers via Squeak-dev <<a href="mailto:squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org" moz-do-not-send="true">squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org</a>>
            wrote:<br/>
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              <p>:sob::sob::sob:<br/>
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              <div>On 10/1/20 10:34 PM, Robert Withers wrote:<br/>
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                <p>I wrote to the #general Squeak Slack channel:</p>
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                  <p><span style="color:rgb(29,28,29);font-family:Slack-Lato,appleLogo,sans-serif;font-size:15px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:common-ligatures;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">What
                      a complete larcenous bastard. 20 years ago, this
                      month, published it as his own work. And been
                      against me ever since. My CPTSD (100% veteran
                      service-connected) comes with an exquisitely
                      sensitive deception meter. There are those who
                      shunned me and ostracized me and made me feel MOST
                      UNWELCOME. For  20 years. My delusions kick in and
                      I start suspecting back channel communications
                      against me. My love for Squeak conflicted with
                      what I knew was happening. but I hung in there and
                      worked on Cryptography, work with a group of great
                      people and that I am satisfied with its added
                      value to Squeak. For 20 years I KNEW people were
                      against me in the community. I cannot describe how
                      negatively this affected me. My third suicide
                      attempt, in 2007 I jumped off the roof of a 6
                      story apartment building and broke my back along
                      with many bones. God did not want me to die, yet,
                      so I lived. This deception and ostracism is most
                      well highlighted by the taking credit for my work,
                      without attribution. He is a complete tool. SHAME!</span></p>
                  <p><span style="color:rgb(29,28,29);font-family:Slack-Lato,appleLogo,sans-serif;font-size:15px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:common-ligatures;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><span style="color:rgb(29,28,29);font-family:Slack-Lato,appleLogo,sans-serif;font-size:15px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:common-ligatures;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">I
                        do not know the degree to which he spoke against
                        me. I<span> </span></span><b style="box-sizing:inherit;color:rgb(29,28,29);font-family:Slack-Lato,appleLogo,sans-serif;font-size:15px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:common-ligatures;font-variant-caps:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">imagine</b><span style="color:rgb(29,28,29);font-family:Slack-Lato,appleLogo,sans-serif;font-size:15px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:common-ligatures;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><span> </span>it
                        was ever since 2000. Delusions! What is real? I
                        knew not. So much torment! AGONY! They do not
                        welcome me! They are trying to chase me off!
                        Good grief, Charlie Brown.</span></span></p>
                  <p><span style="color:rgb(29,28,29);font-family:Slack-Lato,appleLogo,sans-serif;font-size:15px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:common-ligatures;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">Severely
                      exacerbated my CPTSD! I kept trying to kill myself
                      because of it! I thought I had done something
                      egregiously wrong. Whatever it was it had to be my
                      fault. I was not feeling the love, even from
                      myself.</span></p>
                  <p><span style="color:rgb(29,28,29);font-family:Slack-Lato,appleLogo,sans-serif;font-size:15px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:common-ligatures;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">:scream:<br/>
                    </span></p>
                  <p><span style="color:rgb(29,28,29);font-family:Slack-Lato,appleLogo,sans-serif;font-size:15px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:common-ligatures;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">:scream:</span></p>
                  <p><br/>
                    <span style="color:rgb(29,28,29);font-family:Slack-Lato,appleLogo,sans-serif;font-size:15px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:common-ligatures;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><span style="color:rgb(29,28,29);font-family:Slack-Lato,appleLogo,sans-serif;font-size:15px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:common-ligatures;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">In
                        2017, 900 units of insulin brought my blood
                        glucose below 40. I almost succeeded that time.</span></span></p>
                  <p><span style="color:rgb(29,28,29);font-family:Slack-Lato,appleLogo,sans-serif;font-size:15px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:common-ligatures;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><span style="color:rgb(29,28,29);font-family:Slack-Lato,appleLogo,sans-serif;font-size:15px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:common-ligatures;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">:scream:<br/>
                      </span></span></p>
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                <p>rww<br/>
                </p>
                <div>On 10/1/20 8:55 PM, Robert Withers wrote:<br/>
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                  <pre>The worst sort of person is one who takes the credit for the work of
another. Wouldn't you agree?

You may wish to hear John's judgement on the matter. He was right there
when it was first built.

If you are not humble you will be humiliated, and brought low.

rww

On 10/1/20 8:35 PM, tim Rowledge wrote:
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                    <blockquote type="cite">
                      <pre>On 2020-10-01, at 4:57 PM, Robert Withers via Squeak-dev <a href="mailto:squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org></a> wrote:

I am curious. Who was the original author of the VMMaker Tool?
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                    <pre>That would be me; back in exobox days. Written along with the original VMMaker and intended to be an example of clean, tidy, morphic usage. I've no idea if anyone ever uses it now, since running it via scripting has proven more valuable.


tim
--
tim Rowledge; <a href="mailto:tim@rowledge.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">tim@rowledge.org</a>; <a href="http://www.rowledge.org/tim" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.rowledge.org/tim</a>
"Wibble" said Pooh the stress beginning to show.



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                  K, r<br/>
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              <div>-- <br/>
                K, r<br/>
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        K, r<br/>
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      K, r<br/>
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