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    <p>Ron,</p>
    <p>So you remember? I was seemly in a state of some shock, my
      responses were not robust, as they would be. I interviewed in a
      wooden manner. I was on guard and not at all relaxed. My eyes may
      have been glassy, though not from any drug. I was easily startled.
      <br/>
    </p>
    <p>All of my behavior mentioned above is due to what is known in my
      circles as amygdala hijacking. That super sensitive deception
      meter, I mentioned before? It was pegging the needle. I WAS UNDER
      PROXIMATE THREAT! ALARM! ALARM! ALARM! Where is the threat? I do
      not know! <br/>
    </p>
    <p>Hindsight is crystal.</p>
    <p>I have enjoyed having worked with you and on this beautiful
      environment we all hold dear. I wish y'all to be best blessed, be
      happy & healthy. Oh yes! Here is what's up with the
      coronavirus pandemic!</p>
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    <p>K, r<br/>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/1/20 11:48 PM, Robert Withers
      wrote:<br/>
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      <p>Do you recall my interviewing with Andreas? I did <i><b>NOT
            NOT NOT NADA ZILCH NOTHING TO SEE HERE</b></i> <i><b>ZERO
            TIME FOR YOU</b></i> get that job, for whatever reason...</p>
      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/1/20 11:46 PM, Robert Withers
        wrote:<br/>
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        <p>Hi Ron,</p>
        <p>Thank you so much for the kind words and the extension of
          your hand towards myself. In no fashion has it been all bad. I
          really need to tell you, right now, that I did not do any work
          on VMMaker. Was there extensions to same from the VMMakerTool?
          Perhaps, I do not recall. I only built the Tool, not the
          Maker. Good grief, I agree, that's a whole other level! <br/>
        </p>
        <p>I feel the same about the opportunities I had with you. I am
          still dorking with ASN1, currently broken, trying to add a
          "Class" Application Class tag. Missing an explicit context in
          on of the directions. Memory and Trauma are definitely linked.
          That's where the flashbacks come from. Do you recall my
          interviewing with Andreas? I did <i><b>NOT NOT NOT NADA ZILCH
              NOTHING TO SEE HERE</b></i> get that job, for whatever
          reason...</p>
        <p>I think I may be done. PromisesLocal is broken. ParrotTalk is
          broken. ASN1 is broken. SSL is broken. PromisesRemote is
          broken. Sigh. Fuck it. Someone else will have to pick it up.
          20 years of work! I am hitting deep blue ocean, on my way to
          Morocco, by way of the Azores! With my shiny Zeus 3! Ciao,
          bella!<br/>
        </p>
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        <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/1/20 11:36 PM, Ron Teitelbaum
          wrote:<br/>
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            <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Hi Rob,</div>
            <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br/>
            </div>
            <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">I'm so
              sorry you felt that way.  I know you have had major
              issues, you have said the same yourself.  I'm always happy
              to see you come back even after long absences.  You are a
              brilliant coder and it has been my distinct pleasure to
              work with you on Cryptography!  Thank you for all you have
              done and indeed you are responsible for adding significant
              value to Squeak and the community.  </div>
            <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br/>
            </div>
            <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">We all
              work on code and it's easy to work your ass off on
              something to make it work and forget where it originated. 
              We all contribute in large and small ways to everything. 
              If you started VMMaker thank you!  It is definitely
              something a lot of us use.  I remember learning all about
              it a long long time ago before I realized that while I
              could understand it and I could use it, the people that
              work on the VM are a level higher than me.  I just make
              apps!</div>
            <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br/>
            </div>
            <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">I
              remember getting in an argument with Andreas about adding
              methods to collection.  "WE DON"T NEED more methods in
              Collection we need to remove most of them and make it
              easier!" I argued with him about the value over and over
              but he insisted that they just didn't add enough value.  I
              could have been put off.  I could have assumed that
              Andreas didn't like me but I would have been very wrong! 
              I was really honored to get the chance to work with him
              and we became great friends.  Of course I added my methods
              to the code we were working on together and was so
              thrilled when he used my methods for his own code.</div>
            <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br/>
            </div>
            <div class="gmail_default" style="">I don't know what
              happened with VMMaker but again thank you for
              your participation in it.. I wanted to take a minute to
              thank you for your work and to let you know it is my honor
              to work with you too!  I hope that you can come to terms
              with your past and that you get the help you need for your
              CPTSD.  </div>
            <div class="gmail_default" style=""><br/>
            </div>
            <div class="gmail_default" style="">Everything is possible,
              the past is gone, but the future is still yours to shape. 
              I wish the past was set in stone but even that moves and
              slips.  I was talking to my wife about a party we
              attended: "Remember in 2000 we were at the party and
              counted down the new year and someone hit the breaker and
              killed the lights!  We were all talking about what would
              happen in the year 2000, would everything break!"  Great
              story except that I hadn't met my wife yet!  The past is
              only what we remember but the future is something we have
              control over.  Peace, calm, happyness, they are all hard
              to come by but they are possible.  I wish you success in
              finding what makes your future better.</div>
            <div class="gmail_default" style=""><br/>
            </div>
            <div class="gmail_default" style="">I'm sorry about the bad
              things that have happened to you in the past.  As far as
              I'm concerned, you are welcomed here!  </div>
            <div class="gmail_default" style=""><br/>
            </div>
            <div class="gmail_default" style="">All the best,</div>
            <div class="gmail_default" style=""><br/>
            </div>
            <div class="gmail_default" style="">Ron Teitelbaum </div>
            <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br/>
            </div>
            <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br/>
            </div>
          </div>
          <br/>
          <div class="gmail_quote">
            <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at
              10:38 PM Robert Withers via Squeak-dev <<a href="mailto:squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org" moz-do-not-send="true">squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org</a>>
              wrote:<br/>
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                <p>:sob::sob::sob:<br/>
                </p>
                <div>On 10/1/20 10:34 PM, Robert Withers wrote:<br/>
                </div>
                <blockquote type="cite">
                  <p>I wrote to the #general Squeak Slack channel:</p>
                  <blockquote>
                    <p><span style="color:rgb(29,28,29);font-family:Slack-Lato,appleLogo,sans-serif;font-size:15px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:common-ligatures;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">What
                        a complete larcenous bastard. 20 years ago, this
                        month, published it as his own work. And been
                        against me ever since. My CPTSD (100% veteran
                        service-connected) comes with an exquisitely
                        sensitive deception meter. There are those who
                        shunned me and ostracized me and made me feel
                        MOST UNWELCOME. For  20 years. My delusions kick
                        in and I start suspecting back channel
                        communications against me. My love for Squeak
                        conflicted with what I knew was happening. but I
                        hung in there and worked on Cryptography, work
                        with a group of great people and that I am
                        satisfied with its added value to Squeak. For 20
                        years I KNEW people were against me in the
                        community. I cannot describe how negatively this
                        affected me. My third suicide attempt, in 2007 I
                        jumped off the roof of a 6 story apartment
                        building and broke my back along with many
                        bones. God did not want me to die, yet, so I
                        lived. This deception and ostracism is most well
                        highlighted by the taking credit for my work,
                        without attribution. He is a complete tool.
                        SHAME!</span></p>
                    <p><span style="color:rgb(29,28,29);font-family:Slack-Lato,appleLogo,sans-serif;font-size:15px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:common-ligatures;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><span style="color:rgb(29,28,29);font-family:Slack-Lato,appleLogo,sans-serif;font-size:15px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:common-ligatures;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">I
                          do not know the degree to which he spoke
                          against me. I<span> </span></span><b style="box-sizing:inherit;color:rgb(29,28,29);font-family:Slack-Lato,appleLogo,sans-serif;font-size:15px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:common-ligatures;font-variant-caps:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">imagine</b><span style="color:rgb(29,28,29);font-family:Slack-Lato,appleLogo,sans-serif;font-size:15px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:common-ligatures;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><span> </span>it
                          was ever since 2000. Delusions! What is real?
                          I knew not. So much torment! AGONY! They do
                          not welcome me! They are trying to chase me
                          off! Good grief, Charlie Brown.</span></span></p>
                    <p><span style="color:rgb(29,28,29);font-family:Slack-Lato,appleLogo,sans-serif;font-size:15px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:common-ligatures;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">Severely
                        exacerbated my CPTSD! I kept trying to kill
                        myself because of it! I thought I had done
                        something egregiously wrong. Whatever it was it
                        had to be my fault. I was not feeling the love,
                        even from myself.</span></p>
                    <p><span style="color:rgb(29,28,29);font-family:Slack-Lato,appleLogo,sans-serif;font-size:15px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:common-ligatures;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">:scream:<br/>
                      </span></p>
                    <p><span style="color:rgb(29,28,29);font-family:Slack-Lato,appleLogo,sans-serif;font-size:15px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:common-ligatures;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">:scream:</span></p>
                    <p><br/>
                      <span style="color:rgb(29,28,29);font-family:Slack-Lato,appleLogo,sans-serif;font-size:15px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:common-ligatures;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><span style="color:rgb(29,28,29);font-family:Slack-Lato,appleLogo,sans-serif;font-size:15px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:common-ligatures;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">In
                          2017, 900 units of insulin brought my blood
                          glucose below 40. I almost succeeded that
                          time.</span></span></p>
                    <p><span style="color:rgb(29,28,29);font-family:Slack-Lato,appleLogo,sans-serif;font-size:15px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:common-ligatures;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><span style="color:rgb(29,28,29);font-family:Slack-Lato,appleLogo,sans-serif;font-size:15px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:common-ligatures;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">:scream:<br/>
                        </span></span></p>
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                  <p>rww<br/>
                  </p>
                  <div>On 10/1/20 8:55 PM, Robert Withers wrote:<br/>
                  </div>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <pre>The worst sort of person is one who takes the credit for the work of
another. Wouldn't you agree?

You may wish to hear John's judgement on the matter. He was right there
when it was first built.

If you are not humble you will be humiliated, and brought low.

rww

On 10/1/20 8:35 PM, tim Rowledge wrote:
</pre>
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                      <blockquote type="cite">
                        <pre>On 2020-10-01, at 4:57 PM, Robert Withers via Squeak-dev <a href="mailto:squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org></a> wrote:

I am curious. Who was the original author of the VMMaker Tool?
</pre>
                      </blockquote>
                      <pre>That would be me; back in exobox days. Written along with the original VMMaker and intended to be an example of clean, tidy, morphic usage. I've no idea if anyone ever uses it now, since running it via scripting has proven more valuable.


tim
--
tim Rowledge; <a href="mailto:tim@rowledge.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">tim@rowledge.org</a>; <a href="http://www.rowledge.org/tim" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.rowledge.org/tim</a>
"Wibble" said Pooh the stress beginning to show.



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                  <div>-- <br/>
                    K, r<br/>
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                <div>-- <br/>
                  K, r<br/>
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          K, r<br/>
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      <div class="moz-signature">-- <br/>
        K, r<br/>
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      K, r<br/>
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