<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Rob,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">You have been in this place before.  Is there someone you can talk to for help?  Do you have a connection to someone that is working with you on your issues?  Would you consider calling them now?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">I've seen you here before.  I've seen you doing much better.  You should be good to yourself and get help now to move into calmer water and get on a more even keel.  A better future includes protecting yourself, being nice to yourself, and making sure you get help when you need it.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Don't wait until later.  I really recommend you do it now.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Ron</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Oct 2, 2020 at 1:50 AM Robert Withers <<a href="mailto:robert.withers@pm.me">robert.withers@pm.me</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
    <h2><small>"And would not encourage the feeding of the
        indigent!"</small></h2>
    <div>On 10/2/20 12:21 AM, Robert Withers
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite">
      
      The Hellfire and its occupants, not my problem. I pay no
      attention. Burn.<br>
      <p>I "Will be in a life of bliss, In a Garden on high. The Fruits
        whereof"...</p>
      <hr width="100%" size="2">
      <h1 align="center"><small>Al Haqqah (69)</small></h1>
      <blockquote>
        <blockquote>
          <h2 align="center"><small>[The Sure Reality!</small></h2>
          <h2 align="center"><small>What is the Sure
              Reality?</small></h2>
          <h2 align="center"><small>And what will make
              thee realise what the Sure Reality is?</small></h2>
          <h2 align="center"><small>The Thamud and the 'Ad
              People (branded) as false the Stunning Calamity!</small></h2>
          <h2 align="center"><small>But the Thamud,- they
              were destroyed by a terrible Storm of thunder and
              lightning!</small></h2>
          <h2 align="center"><small>And the 'Ad, they were
              destroyed by a furious Wind, exceedingly violent;</small></h2>
          <h2 align="center"><small>He made it rage
              against them seven nights and eight days in succession: so
              that thou couldst see the (whole) people lying prostrate
              in its (path), as they had been roots of hollow palm-trees
              tumbled down!</small></h2>
          <h2 align="center"><small>Then seest thou any of
              them left surviving?</small></h2>
          <h2 align="center"><small>And Pharaoh, and those
              before him, and the Cities Overthrown, committed habitual
              Sin.</small></h2>
          <h2 align="center"><small>And disobeyed (each)
              the messenger of their Lord; so He punished them with an
              abundant Penalty.</small></h2>
          <h2 align="center"><small>We, when the water (of
              Noah's Flood) overflowed beyond its limits, carried you
              (mankind), in the floating (Ark),</small></h2>
          <h2 align="center"><small>That We might make it
              a Message unto you, and that ears (that should hear the
              tale and) retain its memory should bear its (lessons) in
              remembrance.</small></h2>
          <h2 align="center"><small>Then, when one blast
              is sounded on the Trumpet,</small></h2>
          <h2 align="center"><small>And the earth is
              moved, and its mountains, and they are crushed to powder
              at one stroke,-</small></h2>
          <h2 align="center"><small>On that Day shall the
              (Great) Event come to pass.</small></h2>
          <h2 align="center"><small>And the sky will be
              rent asunder, for it will that Day be flimsy,</small></h2>
          <h2 align="center"><small>And the angels will be
              on its sides, and eight will, that Day, bear the Throne of
              thy Lord above them.</small></h2>
          <h2 align="center"><small>That Day shall ye be
              brought to Judgment: not an act of yours that ye hide will
              be hidden.</small></h2>
          <h2 align="center"><small>Then he that will be
              given his Record in his right hand will say: "Ah here!
              Read ye my Record!</small></h2>
          <h2 align="center"><small>"I did really
              understand that my Account would (One Day) reach me!"</small></h2>
          <h2 align="center"><small>And he will be in a
              life of Bliss,</small></h2>
          <div name="verse:69:22" align="center">
            <div>
              <div id="gmail-m_2205346858104581037trans113644">
                <h2><small>In a Garden on high,</small></h2>
              </div>
            </div>
          </div>
          <div name="verse:69:23" align="center">
            <div>
              <div id="gmail-m_2205346858104581037trans113645">
                <h2><small>The Fruits whereof (will hang in
                    bunches) low and near.</small></h2>
              </div>
            </div>
          </div>
          <div id="gmail-m_2205346858104581037trans113646" align="center">
            <h2><small>"Eat ye and drink ye, with full
                satisfaction; because of the (good) that ye sent before
                you, in the days that are gone!"</small></h2>
            <h2><small>And he that will be given his Record in
                his left hand, will say: "Ah! Would that my Record had
                not been given to me!</small></h2>
            <h2><small>"And that I had never realised how my
                account (stood)!</small></h2>
            <h2><small>"Ah! Would that (Death) had made an end
                of me!</small></h2>
            <h2><small>"Of no profit to me has been my wealth!</small></h2>
            <h2><small>"My power has perished from me!"...</small></h2>
            <h2><small>(The stern command will say): "Seize ye
                him, and bind ye him,</small></h2>
            <h2><small>"And burn ye him in the Blazing Fire.</small></h2>
            <h2><small>"Further, make him march in a chain,
                whereof the length is seventy cubits!</small></h2>
            <h2><small>"This was he that would not believe in
                Allah Most High.</small></h2>
            <h2><small>"And would not encourage the feeding of
                the indigent!</small></h2>
            <h2><small>"So no friend hath he here this Day.</small></h2>
            <h2><small>"Nor hath he any food except the
                corruption from the washing of wounds,</small></h2>
            <h2><small>"Which none do eat but those in sin."</small></h2>
            <h2><small>So I do call to witness what ye see,</small></h2>
            <h2><small>And what ye see not,</small></h2>
            <h2><small>That this is verily the word of an
                honoured messenger;</small></h2>
            <h2><small>It is not the word of a poet: little it
                is ye believe!</small></h2>
            <h2><small>Nor is it the word of a soothsayer:
                little admonition it is ye receive.</small></h2>
            <h2><small>(This is) a Message sent down from the
                Lord of the Worlds.</small></h2>
            <h2><small>And if the messenger were to invent any
                sayings in Our name,</small></h2>
            <h2><small>We should certainly seize him by his
                right hand,</small></h2>
            <h2><small>And We should certainly then cut off the
                artery of his heart:</small></h2>
            <h2><small>Nor could any of you withhold him (from
                Our wrath).</small></h2>
            <h2><small>But verily this is a Message for the
                Allah-fearing.</small></h2>
            <h2><small>And We certainly know that there are
                amongst you those that reject (it).</small></h2>
            <h2><small>But truly (Revelation) is a cause of
                sorrow for the Unbelievers.</small></h2>
            <h2><small>But verily it is Truth of assured
                certainty.</small></h2>
            <h2><small>So glorify the name of thy Lord Most
                High.</small></h2>
            <h2><small>] - Quran 69:1-52<br>
              </small></h2>
          </div>
        </blockquote>
      </blockquote>
      <p>---<br>
      </p>
      <p>Slosher<br>
        Oriental, NC<br>
      </p>
      <blockquote type="cite">
        <blockquote type="cite">
          <p> </p>
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          <br>
          <div>On 10/1/20 11:36 PM, Ron
            Teitelbaum wrote:<br>
          </div>
          <blockquote type="cite">
            
            <div dir="ltr">
              <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Hi Rob,</div>
              <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br>
              </div>
              <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">I'm so
                sorry you felt that way.  I know you have had major
                issues, you have said the same yourself.  I'm always
                happy to see you come back even after long absences. 
                You are a brilliant coder and it has been my distinct
                pleasure to work with you on Cryptography!  Thank you
                for all you have done and indeed you are responsible for
                adding significant value to Squeak and the community.  </div>
              <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br>
              </div>
              <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">We all
                work on code and it's easy to work your ass off on
                something to make it work and forget where it
                originated.  We all contribute in large and small ways
                to everything.  If you started VMMaker thank you!  It is
                definitely something a lot of us use.  I remember
                learning all about it a long long time ago before I
                realized that while I could understand it and I could
                use it, the people that work on the VM are a level
                higher than me.  I just make apps!</div>
              <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br>
              </div>
              <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">I
                remember getting in an argument with Andreas about
                adding methods to collection.  "WE DON"T NEED more
                methods in Collection we need to remove most of them and
                make it easier!" I argued with him about the value over
                and over but he insisted that they just didn't add
                enough value.  I could have been put off.  I could have
                assumed that Andreas didn't like me but I would have
                been very wrong!  I was really honored to get the chance
                to work with him and we became great friends.  Of course
                I added my methods to the code we were working on
                together and was so thrilled when he used my methods for
                his own code.</div>
              <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br>
              </div>
              <div class="gmail_default">I don't know what
                happened with VMMaker but again thank you for
                your participation in it.. I wanted to take a minute to
                thank you for your work and to let you know it is my
                honor to work with you too!  I hope that you can come to
                terms with your past and that you get the help you need
                for your CPTSD.  </div>
              <div class="gmail_default"><br>
              </div>
              <div class="gmail_default">Everything is
                possible, the past is gone, but the future is still
                yours to shape.  I wish the past was set in stone but
                even that moves and slips.  I was talking to my wife
                about a party we attended: "Remember in 2000 we were at
                the party and counted down the new year and someone hit
                the breaker and killed the lights!  We were all talking
                about what would happen in the year 2000, would
                everything break!"  Great story except that I hadn't met
                my wife yet!  The past is only what we remember but the
                future is something we have control over.  Peace, calm,
                happyness, they are all hard to come by but they are
                possible.  I wish you success in finding what makes your
                future better.</div>
              <div class="gmail_default"><br>
              </div>
              <div class="gmail_default">I'm sorry about the
                bad things that have happened to you in the past.  As
                far as I'm concerned, you are welcomed here!  </div>
              <div class="gmail_default"><br>
              </div>
              <div class="gmail_default">All the best,</div>
              <div class="gmail_default"><br>
              </div>
              <div class="gmail_default">Ron Teitelbaum </div>
              <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br>
              </div>
              <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br>
              </div>
            </div>
            <br>
            <div class="gmail_quote">
              <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at
                10:38 PM Robert Withers via Squeak-dev <<a href="mailto:squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org" target="_blank">squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org</a>>
                wrote:<br>
              </div>
              <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                <div>
                  <p>:sob::sob::sob:<br>
                  </p>
                  <div>On 10/1/20 10:34 PM, Robert Withers wrote:<br>
                  </div>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <p>I wrote to the #general Squeak Slack channel:</p>
                    <blockquote>
                      <p><span style="color:rgb(29,28,29);font-family:Slack-Lato,appleLogo,sans-serif;font-size:15px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:common-ligatures;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">What
                          a complete larcenous bastard. 20 years ago,
                          this month, published it as his own work. And
                          been against me ever since. My CPTSD (100%
                          veteran service-connected) comes with an
                          exquisitely sensitive deception meter. There
                          are those who shunned me and ostracized me and
                          made me feel MOST UNWELCOME. For  20 years. My
                          delusions kick in and I start suspecting back
                          channel communications against me. My love for
                          Squeak conflicted with what I knew was
                          happening. but I hung in there and worked on
                          Cryptography, work with a group of great
                          people and that I am satisfied with its added
                          value to Squeak. For 20 years I KNEW people
                          were against me in the community. I cannot
                          describe how negatively this affected me. My
                          third suicide attempt, in 2007 I jumped off
                          the roof of a 6 story apartment building and
                          broke my back along with many bones. God did
                          not want me to die, yet, so I lived. This
                          deception and ostracism is most well
                          highlighted by the taking credit for my work,
                          without attribution. He is a complete tool.
                          SHAME!</span></p>
                      <p><span style="color:rgb(29,28,29);font-family:Slack-Lato,appleLogo,sans-serif;font-size:15px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:common-ligatures;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><span style="color:rgb(29,28,29);font-family:Slack-Lato,appleLogo,sans-serif;font-size:15px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:common-ligatures;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">I
                            do not know the degree to which he spoke
                            against me. I<span> </span></span><b style="box-sizing:inherit;color:rgb(29,28,29);font-family:Slack-Lato,appleLogo,sans-serif;font-size:15px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:common-ligatures;font-variant-caps:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">imagine</b><span style="color:rgb(29,28,29);font-family:Slack-Lato,appleLogo,sans-serif;font-size:15px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:common-ligatures;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><span> </span>it
                            was ever since 2000. Delusions! What is
                            real? I knew not. So much torment! AGONY!
                            They do not welcome me! They are trying to
                            chase me off! Good grief, Charlie Brown.</span></span></p>
                      <p><span style="color:rgb(29,28,29);font-family:Slack-Lato,appleLogo,sans-serif;font-size:15px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:common-ligatures;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">Severely
                          exacerbated my CPTSD! I kept trying to kill
                          myself because of it! I thought I had done
                          something egregiously wrong. Whatever it was
                          it had to be my fault. I was not feeling the
                          love, even from myself.</span></p>
                      <p><span style="color:rgb(29,28,29);font-family:Slack-Lato,appleLogo,sans-serif;font-size:15px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:common-ligatures;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">:scream:<br>
                        </span></p>
                      <p><span style="color:rgb(29,28,29);font-family:Slack-Lato,appleLogo,sans-serif;font-size:15px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:common-ligatures;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">:scream:</span></p>
                      <p><br>
                        <span style="color:rgb(29,28,29);font-family:Slack-Lato,appleLogo,sans-serif;font-size:15px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:common-ligatures;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><span style="color:rgb(29,28,29);font-family:Slack-Lato,appleLogo,sans-serif;font-size:15px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:common-ligatures;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">In
                            2017, 900 units of insulin brought my blood
                            glucose below 40. I almost succeeded that
                            time.</span></span></p>
                      <p><span style="color:rgb(29,28,29);font-family:Slack-Lato,appleLogo,sans-serif;font-size:15px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:common-ligatures;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><span style="color:rgb(29,28,29);font-family:Slack-Lato,appleLogo,sans-serif;font-size:15px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:common-ligatures;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">:scream:<br>
                          </span></span></p>
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                    <p>rww<br>
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                    <div>On 10/1/20 8:55 PM, Robert Withers wrote:<br>
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                      <pre>The worst sort of person is one who takes the credit for the work of
another. Wouldn't you agree?

You may wish to hear John's judgement on the matter. He was right there
when it was first built.

If you are not humble you will be humiliated, and brought low.

rww

On 10/1/20 8:35 PM, tim Rowledge wrote:
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                          <pre>On 2020-10-01, at 4:57 PM, Robert Withers via Squeak-dev <a href="mailto:squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org" target="_blank"><squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org></a> wrote:

I am curious. Who was the original author of the VMMaker Tool?
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                        <pre>That would be me; back in exobox days. Written along with the original VMMaker and intended to be an example of clean, tidy, morphic usage. I've no idea if anyone ever uses it now, since running it via scripting has proven more valuable.


tim
--
tim Rowledge; <a href="mailto:tim@rowledge.org" target="_blank">tim@rowledge.org</a>; <a href="http://www.rowledge.org/tim" target="_blank">http://www.rowledge.org/tim</a>
"Wibble" said Pooh the stress beginning to show.



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                      K, r<br>
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                    K, r<br>
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            K, r<br>
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          K, r<br>
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        K, r<br>
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      K, r<br>
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