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<p>Also right. So let's defer this question again until someone has a real use case for stepping in debuggers ... :-)</p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>I don’t understand. I step in debuggers every day. It is too slow. That’s a use case,an important enough use case. And I’d rather throw out the emphasis that I’ve done without for years than accept a debugger I can no longer trust to behave controllably.<br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div id="divtagdefaultwrapper" style="font-size:12pt;color:#000000;font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;" dir="ltr">
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Hi Christoph, hi all.
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<div>Every time you provide an option, you expect the user to make a decision. Easy-to-use interfaces might be found on a different path. ;-) Just my two cents.</div>
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<p style="color: #AAAAAA; margin-top: 10px;">Am 06.10.2020 10:40:46 schrieb Thiede, Christoph <christoph.thiede@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de>:</p>
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<p>Hi Marcel,</p>
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<p>just an idea - as we are talking about adding possible mode checkboxes to an inspector in [1], we could also add a checkbox for stepping there. We already have such a menu item in the Process Browser ... And then we could add a preference for choosing the
default stepping boolean. Hypothetically. :-)</p>
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<p>[1] <a href="http://forum.world.st/The-Trunk-Tools-eem-994-mcz-td5122902.html" class="OWAAutoLink" id="LPlnk153813">http://forum.world.st/The-Trunk-Tools-eem-994-mcz-td5122902.html</a></p>
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<div>it has "always" been that way.. I suppose that its (a) for performance reasonse and (b) you are "stopping time" when debugging anyway. :-)</div>
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<p style="color: #AAAAAA; margin-top: 10px;">Am 01.10.2020 13:56:55 schrieb Thiede, Christoph <christoph.thiede@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de>:</p>
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<p>Hi Marcel,</p>
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<p>just a basic question - why do we disable stepping in Debuggers? :-)</p>
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<div class="PlainText">Marcel Taeumel uploaded a new version of Tools to project The Trunk:<br>
<a href="http://source.squeak.org/trunk/Tools-mt.990.mcz">http://source.squeak.org/trunk/Tools-mt.990.mcz</a><br>
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==================== Summary ====================<br>
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Name: Tools-mt.990<br>
Author: mt<br>
Time: 29 September 2020, 10:20:33.276444 am<br>
UUID: e7da396b-a8ec-7a44-8f15-5ba7d0d30b37<br>
Ancestors: Tools-mt.989<br>
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In debuggers, forward model-wake-up call to update inspectors. This fixes the bug where a 'nil' receiver had no fields in the receiver inspector. For example, try debug-it on any expression in the workspace to trigger that bug.<br>
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Note that the underlying challenge is that the inspectors in debuggers are not stepping. Field updates are triggered manually via #updateInspectors. An inspector's initial object is 'nil'. So, "changing" that to 'nil' will not update the field list in inspectors
bc. it is considered redundant and will be ignored there. While stepping is not required to produce the initial field list, the model-wake-up call will usually trigger that initial update in a stand-alone inspector.<br>
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That's why I think that it is not necessary to change anything in the inspector code but only here in the debugger.<br>
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=============== Diff against Tools-mt.989 ===============<br>
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Item was added:<br>
+ ----- Method: Debugger>>modelWakeUpIn: (in category 'user interface') -----<br>
+ modelWakeUpIn: aWindow<br>
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+ super modelWakeUpIn: aWindow.<br>
+ self updateInspectors.!<br>
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