<div><br></div><div style="background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0)!important;border-color:rgb(255,255,255)!important;color:rgb(255,255,255)!important"><br><div class="gmail_quote" style="background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0)!important;border-color:rgb(255,255,255)!important;color:rgb(255,255,255)!important"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 4 Nov 2020 at 9:28 pm, Trygve Reenskaug <<a href="mailto:trygver@ifi.uio.no">trygver@ifi.uio.no</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)">
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Hi,<br>
I downloaded it to Mendeley because this should be a safe haven for
data. It was accepted, given a DOI and published. Somebody low down
in the Mendeley hierarchy has decided it is not a valid data set
after all. They have broken my agreement with them and removed it
without informing me. This is now an ongoing discussion. <br>
<br>
Here's is a version of the BabyIDE zip:<br>
<br>
<a href="http://heim.ifi.uio.no/trygver/assets/BabyIDE-2019.07.23.zip" target="_blank">http://heim.ifi.uio.no/trygver/assets/BabyIDE-2019.07.23.zip</a><br>
<br>
It may not be identical to the published version, but should be very
close.<br>
I have also finished a user guide for the image, I'll probably just
make it an attachment to a squeak-Dev message.<br>
<br>
<font size="+1" style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><i>How do I make files available on the Squeak web
site?</i></font></div></blockquote><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Hi Trygve,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Our website is on GitHub [1] and we accept pull requests. I'm <span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">part of the Squeak web team and am happy to assist or upload files to our file server.</span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></span></div><div dir="auto" style="background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0)!important;border-color:rgb(255,255,255)!important;color:rgb(255,255,255)!important"><font style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Fabio</font></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">[1] <div><a href="https://github.com/squeak-smalltalk/squeak.org">https://github.com/squeak-smalltalk/squeak.org</a></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div dir="auto"><font size="+1" style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><i></i></font><i><br>
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Trygve</div><div><br>
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<div>On 2020-11-04 16:41, H. Hirzel wrote:<br>
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<pre style="font-family:monospace">Hello
I was looking for the latest version of the
Loke/BabyIDE image
at <a href="https://data.mendeley.com/datasets/5xxgzv7fsp/1" target="_blank" style="font-family:monospace">https://data.mendeley.com/datasets/5xxgzv7fsp/1</a>
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<pre style="font-family:monospace">The image is my program repository. It includes some examples of DCI
programming, Ellen's Personal Programming IDE, Squeak Reverse
Engineering
(SRE), and more.)
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<pre style="font-family:monospace">It is no longer available at this mendeley url as it is not a dataset
but a program.
Could somebody who has downloaded it please make it available on the
squeak web site?
Thank you
Regards
Hannes
On 10/4/20, David T. Lewis <a href="mailto:lewis@mail.msen.com" target="_blank" style="font-family:monospace"><lewis@mail.msen.com></a> wrote:
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<pre style="font-family:monospace">Thank you Trygve,
I confirm also that the image runs very well on my Ubuntu Linux laptop
with a VM compiled per <a href="http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6354" target="_blank" style="font-family:monospace">http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6354</a>.
Dave
On Sat, Oct 03, 2020 at 07:56:43PM +0900, masato sumi wrote:
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<pre style="font-family:monospace">Dear Trygve,
I confirmed that I could launch the Loke/BabyIDE image with the included
SqueakVM for Windows (8.1 and 10)
and I could also launch it in a web browser by using the SqueakJS VM (
<a href="https://squeak.js.org/run" target="_blank" style="font-family:monospace">https://squeak.js.org/run</a> ).
Thank you very much.
--
sumim
2020-10-03 15:48 Trygve Reenskaug <a href="mailto:trygver@ifi.uio.no" target="_blank" style="font-family:monospace"><trygver@ifi.uio.no></a>:
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<pre style="font-family:monospace">Dear Sumim,
Thank you for your kind words.
The latest version of Loke/BabyIDE written on Squeak3.10.2 is at
<a href="https://data.mendeley.com/datasets/5xxgzv7fsp/1" target="_blank" style="font-family:monospace">https://data.mendeley.com/datasets/5xxgzv7fsp/1</a>
The image is my program repository. It includes some examples of DCI
programming, Ellen's Personal Programming IDE, Squeak Reverse
Engineering
(SRE), and more.
Best
--Trygve
On 2020-10-02 20:14, masato sumi wrote:
Dear Trygve,
Thank you for your very long term contribution and efforts.
I'm very sorry that I couldn't help you at all now.
I'm afraid, but could you please make your latest version of
Loke/BabyIDE
written on Squeak3.10.2 available for future generations of researchers
and/or followers?
Anyway, I think your ideas and thoughts should be passed on to future
generations as faithfully as we can possible, and I myself will try to
make
sure that.
Thank you so much and goodbye.
Please take care of yourself.
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sumim
2020-10-03 0:54 Trygve Reenskaug <a href="mailto:trygver@ifi.uio.no" target="_blank" style="font-family:monospace"><trygver@ifi.uio.no></a>:
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<pre style="font-family:monospace">Dear all,
I need to use many words to explore why I can't understand current
Squeak
code. I believe the reason is a profound one, and I hope some of you
have
the patience to read about it.
Thank you for your responses to my 'A Sad Day'-message. One response
said
"*But please don't give up as an inventor of MVC, which has simplified
writing software for all of us.*
*We need new ideas to stabilize Smalltalk." *As to MVC, it was received
with acclamation when I first presented it at PARC in 1978, and people
suggested I should make it the theme of my article in the special
Smalltalk
issue of Byte. I couldn't understand it; MVC was so simple and obvious
that
is was not worth writing about it. Nevertheless, people seem to have
problems understanding MVC. It took me a long time before I gleaned
what
was going on. The explanation is a deep one, rooted in our different
mental
paradigms.
>From around 1970, I was working on Prokon, a distributed system for
managers in the shipbuilding industry:
Every manager has their own computer that they use for augmenting
their
mind. The manager understands their software and ideally writes it
themselves. Managers delegate conversations with other managers to
their
computer's M-to-M network. (Marked with a heavy black line in the
figure).
I chose "distributed planning with central control" as my example
project.
Each manager creates a plan for their department, using apps suited to
their particular needs. A **distributed algorithm** ensures consistency
across departments.
I came to PARC in 1978 and could immediately relate to the Smalltalk
image with its universe of collaborating objects. Alan's definition of
object-orientation fitted my Prokon model: "Thus its semantics are a
bit
like having thousands and thousands of computers all hooked together by
a
very fast network."
MVC prescribes a network of communicating objects. Any object can fill
one or more positions in the network as long as it has the required
behavior; their classes are irrelevant. It's so simple that it's not
worth
writing about it.
====================
The work on this post was interrupted at this point by an unexpected
week
in hospital. It gave me quiet days of pondering the futility of what I
am
doing and I will be terminating my memberships in the Pharo and Squeak
mailing lists. I have also deleted most of the old draft of this
message
and will quickly conclude with two observations:
1.
The Smalltalk image is a universe of communicating objects. I call
it
an object computer. It can be seen as the model of an entirely new
kind of
computer, a model on a level closer to the human mind than the von
Neumann
model of 1948. The new model is communication-centric and should
supersede
the ubiquitous CPU-centric model as soon as possible. Working out
the
details of this idea could make an exciting and disruptive Ph.D.
thesis.
2.
Smalltalk is called a programming language. It is a curious one,
very
different from well-known languages like Java with their syntax and
semantics. Smalltalk, as a programming language, does not have the
concept
of a program. Smalltalk, as a class-oriented language, does not have
syntax
for the declaration of a class. Smalltalk, as an object-oriented
language,
can't describe how objects collaborate to achieve a goal. You appear
to be
happy with this state of affairs, at least, I see no sign of anybody
wanting to move on from the unfinished Smalltalk language to a
mature
development environment. I do not find it satisfactory and it is not
acceptable to the intended managers populating the distributed
system shown
in the first picture. Consequently, I have done something about it
as
described in my SoSym article "*Personal Programming and the Object
Computer.*" I am tired of being alone in my endeavors and this ends
my work with Squeak and other Smalltalks. I wish you health and
happiness
wherever you happen to be.
Trygve
Personal programming and the object computer
<a href="https://doi.org/10.1007/s10270-019-00768-3" target="_blank" style="font-family:monospace">https://doi.org/10.1007/s10270-019-00768-3</a>
--
*The essence of object orientation is that objects collaborate to
achieve a goal. *
Trygve Reenskaug mailto: <a href="mailto:trygver@ifi.uio.no" target="_blank" style="font-family:monospace">trygver@ifi.uio.no</a>
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*The essence of object orientation is that objects collaborate to
achieve
a goal. *
Trygve Reenskaug mailto: <a href="mailto:trygver@ifi.uio.no" target="_blank" style="font-family:monospace">trygver@ifi.uio.no</a> <a href="mailto:%20trygver@ifi.uio.no" target="_blank" style="font-family:monospace"><%20trygver@ifi.uio.no></a>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span>The essence
of object orientation is that objects <span>collaborate<span> </span>to</span> achieve a
goal. </span></i><span><br>
Trygve Reenskaug </span><span lang="NO-BOK"><a href="mailto:%20trygver@ifi.uio.no" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">mailto:
trygver@ifi.uio.no</span></a></span><span><br>
<span>Morgedalsvn</span>.
5A <a href="http://heim.ifi.uio.no/trygver/" target="_blank">http://heim.ifi.uio.no/trygver/</a><br>
N-0378
Oslo </span><span lang="NO-BOK"><a href="http://fullOO.info" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">http://fullOO.info</span></a></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><br>
Norway Tel:
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