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<p>> <span>You're not alone in this thought. Until comments are part of the grammar it is likely a vain hope however.</span></p>
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<p><span>Well, I suppose that this would be a quite architectonical change both in Compiler/Parser and on the Monticello/SqueakSource end ... But this could be a bit easier by installing a pretty-printer before committing and using pretty diffs in Monticello
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> <span>But another approach is to read Kent Beck's Smalltalk Best Practice Patterns and see if his arguments on formatting are persuasive. This is as good a style guide as it gets.</span></div>
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I read them, and they are not bad at all.</div>
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> <span>IMO, Smalltalk is not a curly-brace language.</span></div>
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<span>Yep, and I hate to read this:</span></div>
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<span>foo ifTrue: [</span></div>
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<span> "do something"</span></div>
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<span>] ifFalse: [</span></div>
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<span> "do something else"</span></div>
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<span>].</span></div>
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Still ...</div>
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> <span>[ & ] delimit an object, not some statements.</span></div>
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The problem is that when writing the opening bracket on the same line as the first block statement, the block statements will look inconsistently intended:</div>
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"Do you notice the visual glitch above?"].</div>
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Also, Marcel has argued that it's harder to select the whole block content at once if you have to strip of the brackets before. However, the latter might also be a question of tools.</div>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000" style="font-size:11pt"><b>Von:</b> Squeak-dev <squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org> im Auftrag von Eliot Miranda <eliot.miranda@gmail.com><br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Freitag, 30. Oktober 2020 19:56 Uhr<br>
<b>An:</b> The general-purpose Squeak developers list<br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [squeak-dev] The Inbox: Kernel-ct.1339.mcz</font>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Oct 28, 2020 at 1:33 PM Christoph Thiede <<a href="mailto:christoph.thiede@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de">christoph.thiede@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de</a>> wrote:<br>
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Done, see Kernel-ct.1357.<br>
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Sometimes I believe we should store MethodNodes on Monticello only, or have<br>
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during uploading using a pretty printer ... :-)<br>
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<div class="gmail_default">You're not alone in this thought. Until comments are part of the grammar it is likely a vain hope however.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default">But another approach is to read Kent Beck's Smalltalk Best Practice Patterns and see if his arguments on formatting are persuasive. This is as good a style guide as it gets. IMO, Smalltalk is not a curly-brace language. [ & ] delimit
an object, not some statements. But many of the original Smalltalkers formatted code as you do so I'm not right. It's just that I've rewritten lots of the Kernel code and so I'm overly possessive. I hope you're not offended.</div>
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<div style="font-size:small">best, Eliot</div>
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