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<p>> <span style="font-size:12pt">"I want a two second delay" is perfectly valid :D</span></p>
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<div>Maybe a native English speaker can correct me but afaik, in the grammar dependency tree of "two-second delay", "two-second" is not an independent noun but a pre-modifying phrase only. Shall we really start to support even more different types of words
in an object-oriented language like Smalltalk? Imho, substantives and verbs are already enough. :-)</div>
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<div>Otherwise, we might end up with overcomplicated expressions such as "2 seconds later do: [self flash. Wait for: 1.5 hour delay. self flash]". Exaggerating, of course. Though syntactically valid Smalltalk, definitively not "our" flavor of Smalltalk ...
Reminds me rather of questionary constructs such as in RSpec (Ruby), for example.</div>
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<div>And if this argument is way too complex, here is even a simpler one: According to Grammarly, "two second delay" is not even valid English. It needs to be "two-second delay" and I have never heard of mapping grammatical hyphens to separate messages in Smalltalk
languages before. But would like to read some examples if there are any. :-)</div>
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<div>Lbnl, I think it causes a lot of confusion and the need for coding styles if we create multiple selectors that do the same thing ... #ifNil:ifNotNil: vs #<span>ifNil:ifNotNilDo:/#<span>ifEmpty:ifNotEmpty: vs #<span>ifEmpty:ifNotEmptyDo: is already hard
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<div><span><span><span>Best,</span></span></span></div>
<div><span><span><span>Christoph</span></span></span></div>
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<div id="x_divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000" style="font-size:11pt"><b>Von:</b> Squeak-dev <squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org> im Auftrag von Tobias Pape <Das.Linux@gmx.de><br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Dienstag, 9. März 2021 14:26:05<br>
<b>An:</b> The general-purpose Squeak developers list<br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [squeak-dev] Explorer / Inspector bug?</font>
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> On 9. Mar 2021, at 14:23, Thiede, Christoph <Christoph.Thiede@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de> wrote:<br>
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> +1 for preventing "2 second" from answering "1 second", too confusing.<br>
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> -1 for answering "2 seconds" for "2 second", that would be very ambiguous language and grammatically incorrect. :-)<br>
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no.<br>
"I want a two second delay" is perfectly valid :D<br>
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> I think we should either go with an assertion (self assert: self = 1) or deprecate the singular selectors altogether.<br>
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> Best,<br>
> Christoph<br>
> Von: Squeak-dev <squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org> im Auftrag von Chris Muller <asqueaker@gmail.com><br>
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 9. März 2021 05:53:10<br>
> An: The general-purpose Squeak developers list<br>
> Betreff: Re: [squeak-dev] Explorer / Inspector bug?<br>
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> My expectation would be that #second, #minute, #hour etc would<br>
> be syntactic sugar. And I certainly would not expect "5 second"<br>
> to mean one second duration.<br>
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> I note that we have several methods like this (second, minute, hour...)<br>
> and they have Brent Pinkney's (brp) initials since 2004. I don't know<br>
> if anyone depends on that existing behavior.<br>
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> That's correct. Brent adopted those methods from my MaTimeObjects package (which is still installable from SqueakMap), although in my version it didn't even account for the sign, it was always just ^ 1 second, regardless of the receiver. I agree they should
just be synonyms.<br>
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> Off topic, but there are other problems with these duration methods.<br>
> They are defined in Number but round the duration magnitudes to<br>
> whole seconds.<br>
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> Where do you see that? I just tried "1.5 hours" and it worked...<br>
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> And durations for 1 day or 1 week are undefinable<br>
> due to daylight savings transitions and occasional leap seconds.<br>
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> True, from a literal sense, but by that assessment we would have similar "problems" with ChronologyConstants' DaysInMonth, MicrosecondsInDay, OneDay, SecondsInDay, SecondsInHour, and SecondsInMinute. All are useful, nonetheless.<br>
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> - Chris<br>
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