<div dir="ltr">Having started out with Delphi, I do not mind caseOf:. But I more often wish for Lisp's cond. true caseOf: looks somehow strange and like a hack to me—just a feeling—though I admit it does make sense when I force myself to read it as English: "For the true case of the following, do..."<div><br></div><div>Regarding letting people choose their protocols, just make sure that Smalltalk does not end up being a write-only-for-me language like Perl. :-)</div><div>I think there has already been this discussion about how many shortcuts and utility methods should be in the language and which should rather stay out.<br><div><br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Am Mi., 7. Apr. 2021 um 17:53 Uhr schrieb Thiede, Christoph <<a href="mailto:Christoph.Thiede@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de">Christoph.Thiede@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de</a>>:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Woah, I didn't know that this topic has been such a hot potato. :-)</p>
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<div id="gmail-m_5516145102508754180x_Item.MessagePartBody">In my opinion, people can always abuse a (domain-specific) language to write bad code and you cannot really stop them from doing so by limiting the features of the language. Instead of banning a protocol, people
should understand *why* and *when* it is a bad idea to use them. #caseOf: & Co. can be used and can be abused, so I vote for keeping and legalizing it (otherwise we have to destroy every bread knife, too).</div>
<div id="gmail-m_5516145102508754180x_Item.MessagePartBody">If we stigmatize #caseOf:, we could also stigmatize or even deprecate #isKindOf: because very often, it is abused - but still, it can be useful in many situations where you need metaprogramming indeed, for example,
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<div id="gmail-m_5516145102508754180x_Item.MessagePartBody">LBNL, I often consider both concepts as the first step of a larger refactoring. Alone for this purpose, I would like to keep these selectors.</div>
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<div id="gmail-m_5516145102508754180x_Item.MessagePartBody">Best,</div>
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<b>Gesendet:</b> Sonntag, 28. März 2021 19:07:58<br>
<b>An:</b> The general-purpose Squeak developers list<br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [squeak-dev] #identityCaseOf:</font>
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> On 2021-03-28, at 4:09 AM, Thiede, Christoph <<a href="mailto:Christoph.Thiede@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de" target="_blank">Christoph.Thiede@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Again, why please? :-) I'm not a big fan of C either, but IMO switch/select/case is not the worst concept when it allows you to eliminate some duplication.
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It (both C and caseOf*) has its uses but my practical issue with caseOf* in Smalltalk is that I keep (very subjective and personal experience dependant) seeing it get used in ways that completely sidestep Smalltalk and implement bad C idiom. A bit like isKindOf:
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[Fox] -> [foo doFoxThing]}<br>
... which of course merely (badly) replicates class lookup/inheritance/message-sending. It suggests a writer that cannot escape the mental prison of C-like assault coding.<br>
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isKindOf: is a useful meta-programming idiom that I've seen used inside inner loops to do the same sort of not-message-sending. I've even had people try to justify is on the grounds that "sending messages is so slow and I want ot avoid it", which is just nuts.<br>
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isBlahClass is almost as horrible but at least has the excuse of (hopefully) being part of a not yet completed cleaning of other nastiness.<br>
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Part of the problem is that language flexibility always ends up being a tool that lets annoying people write bad FORTRAN in any language. And then somebody has to spend a too large fraction of their life trying to fix it.<br>
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Useful random insult:- Not enough sense to come in out of the rain.<br>
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