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<span class="md-plain"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Hi Christoph,</span></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span class="md-plain"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">I've tried to figure out why sending from the Inbox Talk fails; here are my observations:</span></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span class="md-plain"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">ports 465 and 587 don't work (at least in my case) - are they supposed to?</span></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="md-end-block" style="color:#333333;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2;box-sizing: border-box">
<span class="md-plain"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">port 25 works but ONLY if the user email is the same as the user name used for SMTP authentication - which is unfortunate, because my email provider (MS smtp-mail.outlook.com)
doesn't support port 25 and when I use a provider supporting port 25 (smtp.seznam.cz) it forces me to match the authentication email (userName) and the email used for mailing list (userEmail)! Otherwise it gives me '550 5.1.0 Use your own address, please.'
error :) So I'm stuck here...</span></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="md-end-block" style="color:#333333;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2;box-sizing: border-box">
<span class="md-plain"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">for convenient playing with various smtp settings it is better to open an inspector on the MailSender class</span></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
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<span class="md-plain"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Any advice very welcome.</span></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span class="md-plain"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Jaromir</span></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="border:none;padding:0in"><b>From: </b><a href="mailto:mail@jaromir.net">Jaromir Matas</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Monday, November 1, 2021 18:52<br>
<b>To: </b><a href="mailto:squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org">squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org</a>;
<a href="mailto:Christoph.Thiede@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de">Thiede, Christoph</a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [squeak-dev] [ANN] Squeak Inbox Talk - bringing squeak-dev into your image</p>
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<span class="md-plain"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Hi Christoph,</span></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span class="md-plain"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">I'm learning to use the Inbox Talk as a replacement for forum.world.st which I was using as my primary workflow tool (rather than a mail client). I'm very impressed
by your Inbox Talk and would like to share my feedback:</span></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<li class="md-end-block" style="color:#333333;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span class="md-plain"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Inbox Talk conversation "[ANN] Squeak Inbox Talk - bringing squeak-dev into your image" appears split
into two threads in the Inbox Talk (see the screenshot); I can't figure out why because the pipermail archive sees it correctly as one single conversation. Possibly a bug?</span></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="md-end-block" style="color:#333333;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span class="md-plain"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I miss an information about the sender of the last message in the thread (like in forum.world.st) - either
on the line along with the timestamp and the subject or in the preview pane (or see suggestion #4 below). Sometimes it is not clear from the preview who the sender is (her signature being buried somewhere or missing altogether).</span></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="md-end-block" style="color:#333333;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span class="md-plain"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The Preview format differs based on whether a filter was used: no filter => simple last message preview;
filter present => 'sophisticated' preview of the whole thread. I find this a bit confusing - why not unify the two?</span></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="md-end-block" style="color:#333333;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span class="md-plain"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Accessing more details about the thread means "opening" it in another window - which is ok if you're
after one particular thread but if I'm just scanning through the main list, opening (and closing) new windows is awkward; how about having a large window showing the list of threads, the 'sophisticated' preview of the currently selected thread, a list of messages
in the that thread and a preview of one message (the first or last by default) - as if the conversation browser was always open and glued together with the main Inbox Talk browser - see my screenshot :) Selecting another thread would automatically display
the list of messages in that thread and previewed its first (or last) message allowing to quickly scan through the mailing list... I guess no new functionality needs to be added - just glue the two existing windows' contents? Could it mean a performance issue??</span></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="md-end-block" style="color:#333333;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span class="md-plain"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Have you considered an automatic refresh (every hour maybe?)</span></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="md-end-block" style="color:#333333;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span class="md-plain"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Tried to send this via the Inbox Talk but failed with the message: "SSL connect failed with code: -5".
I'm on Win10, smtp-mail.outlook.com, port 587 - in case it matters :) I'd probably need some help here - it didn't even ask me for my password, just failed... Tried a different smtp server, port 465 - failed too. Trying port 25 now... Nope: it asked for my
username/password but eventually failed with: "telnet protocol error:" :( So I'm sending this via my Windows mail client. Is it possible to setup and test the Squeak mail editor separately?</span></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="md-end-block" style="color:#333333;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span class="md-plain"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">An observation: when attaching a file the Squeak mail editor won't show or notify whether the attachment
has been attached. The only clue you get is when you press "remove attachment": it lists the attachments.</span></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
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<span class="md-plain"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">I'd like to use the Inbox Talk as my main tool so I may be back with more feedback :)</span></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span class="md-plain"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Thanks a lot!!</span></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span class="md-plain"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Jaromir</span></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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