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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="CS">Thanks! </span>I’m AFK and reread later :)</p>
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<b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, December 7, 2021 12:22<br>
<b>To: </b><a href="mailto:squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org">squeak-dev</a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [squeak-dev] Default preferences</p>
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Hi Jaromir --
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<div> ><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;font-size: 14.6667px">No – when I run the example via CTRL-SHIFT-d (start the Debugger on it) the Debugger opens not attached but the subsequent Debugger(s) when hitting Proceed start attached -> inconsistent
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<div><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;font-size: 14.6667px">Well, please read the preference's description again. Only mouse interaction is affected. So, the behavior you describe is exactly as intended. We do not want to force the use into a bi-manual
interaction style if they try to primarily use the keyboard.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;font-size: 14.6667px">Best,</span></div>
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<p style="color: #AAAAAA; margin-top: 10px;">Am 07.12.2021 11:56:45 schrieb Jaromir Matas <mail@jaromir.net>:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Checked already <span style="font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif">
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<p class="MsoNormal">Yes – improved for do-it via CTRL-d: now all invocations when pressing Proceed go not attached to the mouse -> consistent</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">No – when I run the example via CTRL-SHIFT-d (start the Debugger on it) the Debugger opens not attached but the subsequent Debugger(s) when hitting Proceed start attached -> inconsistent (but not erratic)</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks!</p>
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<b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, December 7, 2021 11:52<br>
<b>To: </b><a href="mailto:squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org">squeak-dev</a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [squeak-dev] Default preferences</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family: "Arial",sans-serif;color: black">Hi Jaromir --<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family: "Arial",sans-serif;color: black">Please check whether Morphic-mt.1816 (Trunk) improves the situation. :-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family: "Arial",sans-serif;color: black">Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin-top:7.5pt"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family: "Arial",sans-serif;color: #AAAAAA">Am 07.12.2021 11:05:36 schrieb Jaromir Matas <mail@jaromir.net>:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family: "Arial",sans-serif;color: black">I’ve just tested the likelihood: the first CTRL-d opens the Debugger not attached and then pressing
Proceed has almost 50% chance to either open attached to the mouse or not attached.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family: "Arial",sans-serif;color: black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family: "Arial",sans-serif;color: black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family: "Arial",sans-serif;color: black"><a href="mailto:marcel.taeumel@hpi.de">Marcel Taeumel</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, December 7, 2021 10:59<br>
<b>To: </b><a href="mailto:squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org">squeak-dev</a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [squeak-dev] Default preferences<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family: "Arial",sans-serif;color: black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family: "Arial",sans-serif;color: black">Hi Jaromir --<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family: "Arial",sans-serif;color: black">Yes, there are some cases where the mouse interaction does not lead to the tool being attached. No,
I am not aware of a situation where a keyboard interaction does that. What's your feeling? Does it work like 95% of the time?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family: "Arial",sans-serif;color: black">> I think it happened with some dialogues as well but can’t remember now.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family: "Arial",sans-serif;color: black">Dialog windows should never attach to the mouse cursor. See SystemWindow >> #openAsTool to better understand
the mechanics of that preference. It relies on the dynamically scoped #currentEvent, which is not bullet proof. :-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family: "Arial",sans-serif;color: black">Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin-top:7.5pt"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family: "Arial",sans-serif;color: #AAAAAA">Am 07.12.2021 10:48:58 schrieb Jaromir Matas <mail@jaromir.net>:</span><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family: "Arial",sans-serif;color: black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family: "Arial",sans-serif;color: black">Hi Marcel,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family: "Arial",sans-serif;color: black">I tried both do-it from the menu and via CTRL-d and they both behave erratically.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family: "Arial",sans-serif;color: black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family: "Arial",sans-serif;color: black">I’m not sure it’s only the Debugger; I think it happened with some dialogues as well but can’t remember
now.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family: "Arial",sans-serif;color: black">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family: "Arial",sans-serif;color: black">Jaromir
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</span></b><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family: "Arial",sans-serif;color: black"><a href="mailto:marcel.taeumel@hpi.de">Marcel Taeumel</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, December 7, 2021 10:35<br>
<b>To: </b><a href="mailto:squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org">squeak-dev</a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [squeak-dev] Default preferences<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family: "Arial",sans-serif;color: black">My bad. You did a "do it", right? Hmm... seems to be debugger-related. Other tools are fine, right?
Like "String browse"?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin-top:7.5pt"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family: "Arial",sans-serif;color: #AAAAAA">Am 07.12.2021 10:33:32 schrieb Marcel Taeumel <marcel.taeumel@hpi.de>:</span><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family: "Arial",sans-serif;color: black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family: "Arial",sans-serif;color: black">Works for me. Did you "debug it" via the context menu using the mouse? It should only attach if the
interaction was done with the mouse so that users can retain focus on the cursor position. Keyboard interaction should not be affected.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin-top:7.5pt"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family: "Arial",sans-serif;color: #AAAAAA">Am 07.12.2021 10:01:48 schrieb mail@jaromir.net <mail@jaromir.net>:</span><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family: "Arial",sans-serif;color: black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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> There is no need to change the default values for the preferences that are in the PreferenceWizardMorph. Let's focus on whether some interesting preferences are missing from that morph and on the values for preferences not in that morph.
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> Best, <br>
> Marcel <br>
I've been testing the "open tools attached to mouse cursor" preference on but its behavior is erratic. E.g. try do-it (a few times):
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self halt. self halt <br>
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The Debugger sometimes opens attached to the mouse and sometimes not... It's so irregular I haven't discovered any pattern in the behavior and eventually switched the preference off. Is it happening to you too? (I had clean images and Win10 environment)
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On 2021-11-23T09:44:29+01:00, marcel.taeumel@hpi.de wrote: <br>
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> Hi all -- <br>
> <br>
> There is no need to change the default values for the preferences that are in the PreferenceWizardMorph. Let's focus on whether some interesting preferences are missing from that morph and on the values for preferences not in that morph.
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> Best, <br>
> Marcel <br>
> Am 23.11.2021 00:13:44 schrieb tim Rowledge : <br>
> >> 1. Windowing <br>
> >> Personally, the first thing I do in every new image is to enable these prefs:
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> >> "mouse over for keyboard focus", "open tools attached to mouse cursor", "windows' contents are always active".
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> >> Do I belong to a minority of Squeakers or could we satisfy a majority of Squeakers by turning on these prefs by default?
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> Well *I* wouldn't be happy with them but then I immediately load my prefs file anyway so maybe I wouldn't even notice.
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> > For myself I'd add "Embed a Transcript in a Workspace" because I use and move both around the screen all the time; and frankly, since my first encounter with Squeak I always wondered why I have to open two tools, one of which has a totally nuts name, in
order to be able to print "Hello" ;) <br>
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> But a Transcript is fundamentally different to a Workspace; the former is for the system to tell you what is going on, not for scribbling notes.
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> >> 4. Editing <br>
> >> - Auto enclose brackets -> #beforeSpaces (see [1], pending. Inserting a bracket pair () right before a character just feels pretty useless to me.)
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> >> - Enclose selection with brackets -> true <br>
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> Again, very not OK for me. <br>
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> tim <br>
> -- <br>
> tim Rowledge; tim at rowledge.org; http://www.rowledge.org/tim <br>
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